Just a warning to people who actually believe this can work. It's never ever work for anybody and will never work. People in here try to exlpoit desperate myopic people, it's true. I tell you, it's the same for every health ailments on the internet: I have male pattern baldness, and some still believe it can be cured with dietary supplements, but only drugs and modern medicine can work for hairloss. The only cure for myopia is surgery sorry. I've just had PRK some months ago, now I have 16/10 vision. I know it hurts, and the operation surely hurts too but it's the truth!

Have a nice day everyone

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So why would you be visiting this site - hunting for prey? Trolling for sheep that you can slaughter? Congratulations for not having an original thought or an honest observation in your entire head. Which came first - the chicken or the ego?

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@JMartinC4: Now, now. Let's not be so critical of the ignorance of others. At least he wished us all a nice day.

What I find particularly interesting about skeptics is that they tend to cite their own shortcomings as evidence to invalidate the Bates method. Another interesting point is that almost all of them take on an authoritative tone, talking as if they were experts on the subject matter.

In my opinion, the critics and skeptics are excellent examples of exactly what we should NOT do in our pursuit for better vision. We need to be more open-minded and more compromising, if only at first, because the truth does not stay hidden for long. Considering that this method is one of trial and error, it is in the best interest of most of us to listen to what everyone has to say, even if it doesn't sound plausible to us at first.

The only cure for ignorance is enlightenment. When an ignorant person refuses to be enlightened what can be done? They become 'dogs in the manger' - unable or refusing to be enlightened themselves, they feel threatened by anyone who claims enlightenment. Not wishing to be found on the wrong side of the equation, they discourage others from seeking enlightenment. When such ignorant people obtain positions of responsibility and power, they negatively influence their entire community. Thus we have the state of the world today.

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People didn't used to just give up when they noticed their eyesight starting to go bad a little. They would fight it - making slight adjustments to their posture, eye habits, and ways of doing/thinking about things until their eyesight corrected itself. But what has been gradually happening since the turn of the last century is that we are immediately encouraged to wear lenses (or nowadays get surgery) and told that the degraded eyesight is natural and/or genetic!

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Yeah, totally agree with you there and it's just too bad. In our society these days, it's all about the majority, the mainstream, and "traditional" ideas. There's just no room for creativity.

I don't think that it will be easy to turn the tide back in the "right" direction, but at this point, the best any of us can do is to regain 20/20 eyesight and spread the word about the Bates method.

Hi guys I'm back to announce that I now have 20/10 vision, that's right 2.0 like my father thanks to PRK, life is good

You make me laugh, it's not about creativity, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO REVERSE MYOPIA without suregery, it's a fact, we can't even discuss, it's backed up by scentific studies, there is no conspiration, my god those websites like Iblindness are the reason I'm afraid of the internet. Noone's ever cured his myopia naturally, in the whole world, none of you here too, I'm here to warn naive people, don't waste your precious time with this kind of websites. If you have myopia and are unhappy with it, save up some money(3000€ for me), do a PRK (I wouldn't recommend LASIK), you won't regret it even if it hurts, then you can enjoy life without worrying about the bates bullshit we find everywhere on the internet (oh I'm gonna sungazing today, maybe in two years I'll lose a diopter, hahaha pitiful)

Believe me it's the same about male pattern baldness and acne (I have had both + myopia, lucky fellow I know), a lot of false information is in circulation on the web. Be critical people, be critical...

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What do you mean that no one has ever cured his myopia naturally? Are you suggesting that the thousands of people who give testimonials of improved vision are all lying? In these forums alone, I believe there are a number of people who have improved close to 20/20.

I respect your view that PRK is the best choice, but I think that this is a matter of choice. The Bates method is a long-term process, and not everyone wants to wait, which is fine, but I would not label it as something that doesn't work.

There is one thing I do admire about your attitude though. It's the skepticism. I think that it's a good idea to be critical about everything you come across. Don't just accept anyone's word for it. Do the research and make your choice. Who's telling the truth? Is it the optometrist? The Bates method people?

We live with our choices and I believe that many of us here on this forum have already made our choice.

Amen

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Hi Fred
When you read the books of Bates or Lierman you will find that even in the time of ugly, thick glasses, without contact lenses and surgery being available, many people prefered the quicker and easier solution and could not be convinced to try the training, although they were told: "I told him, that he could could be cured without glasses if he would take the trouble" (Lierman quoted by memory).
As modern life reinforces bad seeing habits to a much higher degreee than at Bate's time, the 'cure' will necessarily be longer and more 'troublesome'. At the same time, there are so many easier solutions available, even glasses are nowadays so stylish that they can be used as a decorative accesssoire - so you don't have to search a lot to find out why there are not so many people who "take the trouble" and even less who have enough endurance to follow the path till the end.
But I'm convinced, the method is worth trying. I started about five months ago and now I hardly ever have to use my glasses at all and I enjoy my improved (and still improving) sight very much.
For me eye-training is not only just an alternative to get rid of glasses or contact lenses, but a question of health, to minimize the risk of another retinal detachment and the loss of vision. This risk becomes more serious when with increasing myopia the eyeball is lengthened and the retina stretched - as a result I had 2 holes in the retina and this resulted in a detachment, which was operated in January; after that I started eye-training.
Surgery only modifies the lense, not the eyeball, it is as if you had contacts operated in your eye and along with it the illusion of 'normal healthy' eyes - but the danger of retinal detachment and other diseases still persists....

@FredtheBelgianWaffle: We're not exploiting anyone - completely the opposite; you on the other hand have now been permanently and irreversibly exploited. Thanks for adding nothing to the discussion. Thanks for accepting the unacceptable. Thanks for nothing. Questions: 1) Does one of your eyes have better eyesight and is it your dominant eye? 2) Male Pattern Baldness has been around as long as myopia, but only myopia has suddenly been becoming progressively more prevalent and progressively worse. Why don't you care? You are apparently a selfish, small-minded, weak-willed person who should probably stay away from this site. Go enjoy your new fake eyesight - while it lasts.

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er...Fred? There are a lot of ways to get rid of acne. You seem pretty closed-minded in more ways than just vision improvement. This isn't the place for me to suggest to you how to improve your skin and I'm not sure you'd listen anyway - but I will suggest that 'being afraid of the internet' could be indicative of a bigger problem - namely, overblown skepticism. Skepticism is great because it can keep you realistic, but when it closes you off to real solutions then it has become an impediment.
Good luck with your male patterned baldness and bad skin. Maybe lasers are your answer there, too.
Thanks for stopping by!

I cured my acne and my male pattern baldness by non conventional ways, my hairloss naturally with topicals and supplements for example, doctors and experts on the web say it's impossible, but I did, because it was possible! For hair loss there is a sort of conspiracy indeed, not myopia. Curing myopia naturally is never possible, why can't you admit that, you'll never find any person in the world who did that, it's just physically impossible, "J'y crois dur comme fer" we say in french, I would bet my right arm that it's impossible. I'm just here to make sure people don't get fooled by such claims.

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Wow. Fred the Belgian Waffler. Trolling the web, looking for goats to slaughter. A true Dog In The Manger. A recherche Know-Nothing par excellence. Congratulations. You Lose.

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You are the troll here, a complete forum of trolls.

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