I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that it is a so-called "illusion" of normal sight. When people experience the universal swing, everything in their visual field appears to be "rocking" back and forth continuously. Again, I could be wrong, but the idea is that the eyes are always moving, however small the movements may be. Practicing the long swing is one way to "simulate" the universal swing and is often helpful in achieving it in the end.

But, just to be safe, someone else should confirm this.

what is your refraction error?

whats is an refraction error?
how do i measure it by myself?

Like how many diopters are your eyes.

Pikachu, yes, the universal swing is an illusion of normal sight, that everything is slightly moving, pulsing or vibrating, not static and still. I can see this most easily on the chart, and am starting to see it elsewhere which is a big heartening sign of progress for me. I knew Crown was going to ask about this, and I admit it was kind of a test to see how much Bates material he's read -- Bates mentions the universal swing a lot. Crown, please read what Bates has written and digest it, re-reading it if you feel like you didn't get it all. His sentences are each worth reading slowly to absorb the material -- there's no "fluff". You can't skim it or quickly swallow one or 2 articles and think you understand the Bates Method. This is what those people do who later loudly proclaim that it doesn't work!

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2012: 20/45 on average, no glasses except for night driving
2001: 2/200, -10 hard contacts with -1.75 cylinder
Vision & dreams blog: http://dreamersight.wordpress.com/
Vision & dreams website: http://dreamersight.com/

Your Right The Only Parts I Read Was In His Book About The Myopic Children And The Palming (As I Thought This Pertained To Me Most) And When I Scanned The Shifting And Swinging I Incorporated Trying To Central fixate & Move My Eyes More On One Object Not Stare ( I Also Go Outside With My Friends Alot & Asked Them To Look At A Point And See If Their Eyes Move At First It Was A NO Then I Kept On Telling Them To Concentrate And Them They Said YES I Started Fully Reading About The Swinging And Shifting Section Yesterday I Heard The Term Universal Swing But Dident See It Fully Defined Anywhere I Searched It Up But No Luck Nut I Guess You Could Imply After Reading What It Is

I Still Havent Got A Swing Yet I TRy It MY Eyes Seem To Feel Weird And Its RElaxing ( Open) But I Dont See a Swing?)

Another Reason Is I Dont Wanna Spend Much Time On The Computer Or Reading ( AS This Is What Elongated My Eyes In The First Place )


Why Do ALL Of The People That I Tell About Sun Gazing Laugh At Me And Says Im going to Go Blind? It Really Funny How People Just Take What Others Tell Them Ad Dont Have Much Proof Behind This.

Today I woke Up Earlier Then before Around 4 But I went Back To Sleep Then Woke at 5:20 Then Back to Sleep And Then About 7 Then Back To Sleep Then Finally 8:40 Just got out of Bed

Any Ways No Gym Today Maybe Towards Night But Im going To Have Relaxing Days On Sunday/ Monday/ Tuesday ( I Know It Saturday But Whatever Waking Up At 5 Got Me Tiered) Any Ways On These Relaxing Days Im Going To Only Do Relaxation Exercises Such As Palming And Just Focus On Central Fixation And Moving Eyes & Not Staring

Whats The Fastest Some One Has Reduced Their Vision To 20/20 With Myopia ( I know Its Different for Everyone & Im Expecting Like 1 Year Of Bates For Every Year Ive Had Glasses Which Is 5 Years Since I Was 5?

June 18 2011

Also Eating More Healthy Whole Wheat Bread With Mozerrela Cheese & Salted Cucumbers Many Fruits ( Watermelon, Blueberries, Plums, Mangos. Also Have Gotten in Habit Of Drinking Only Water & Sometimes Tea With no Sugar And Eating At Least 1 Carrot A Day also Trying To Keep Strait Spine and Reamin Happy All times The spine Was Prett Easy After THe3 First Day , and Remaining Happy Is Coming Pretty Good to.

It can be confusing the way Bates refers to the universal and optical swings. What I came to understand was that the two are very closely related, except that the univeral swings refers more to the connectivity of stationary objects perceived w/ the optical swing. The optical swings refers more to just the motion itself. If one thing, or part of a thing moves, the whole thing moves, and everything else connected to it moves, together. It would require some kind of strain to see just one part of a letter moving, and not the entire letter, and just a letter moving, and not the whole line, and just a line, and not the whole page, etc., it's all connected. Of course, even though there's this sense of universal connectivity, we should still see one part best at all times.

I can notice the optical swing all the time now, but the universal not really in the extreme peripheral so much as in the immediate peripheral. I can see the letters on the computer screen moving, the lines in the peripheral moving along too, the monitor screen and some things around it, but not much beyond that, unless I help it out with a slight sway.

Okay Thanks For The Swing Explinations

Okay I Am Going To Stop Posting My Routine Each Day & Only Post Interesting Things Or Improvements Some Times & Will Most Likely Stop Going On Computer & Just Try To Work On Dr.Bates Methods Until I Perfect Them.

-I Think I Am Already Seeing Better I Feel Better See Better And Think Better ( After Only 1 Week

-Any Ways I find Keeping Good Posture Helps And Remaining Happy And Not Tensed Helps To

-Eating Right Is Helping In Alot Of Different Ways ( Dont Drink Soda Or Things With Alot Of Sugar Or Eat Junk Food Or Processed Foods)

-Also If You Guys Don't Take Cold Showers Before Going To Sleep I Recommend You Should
Check These Sites Out For Some Benefits

http://artofmanliness.com/2010/01/18/th ... -vitality/

http://hnghnghnghng.wordpress.com/2011/ ... ter-today/

-Just Going To Work On Eyesight & Health For The Weeks to come Until My Eye Test which Is At the End Of August ( And A Long Time After That

Hello Guys Well Summer Passed And Its The Second Week Of School
I Went To The Eye doctor and this is his words after just putting on a machine in front of me and telling me tro look at the letters one eye has almost doubled and one eye has gone .20 worse so now its -2.50 and -3.0 and i was like damn but at home i can see the 70 feet line and sometimes 60 feet linee is my vision what he says it is?

Visual acuity varies widely with stress level, how rested you are, whether you feel confident and relaxed or not, whether you're hungry or thirsty, etc. It was what he measured it as at that time. It might have improved as soon as you left the office! Keep doing the Bates practices and it will get steadily better and more stable. If you're seeing an improvement at home that means it's working.

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Nancy
2012: 20/45 on average, no glasses except for night driving
2001: 2/200, -10 hard contacts with -1.75 cylinder
Vision & dreams blog: http://dreamersight.wordpress.com/
Vision & dreams website: http://dreamersight.com/

hey Crown, what could you see on the chart before and from what distance compared to now?

It is possible that you were straining a lot at the doctor's office, as Nancy said.

Let's face it, it is also possible that your eyes got worse. Sometimes the Bates method is not practiced correctly and in that case it will not work. I can't tell from here if you practice correctly or not. Is there a Bates teacher near you? That would be my first recommendation. Second best would be to get distance lessons or form a group that studies the Bates method and practices together.

At least change something that you are doing.
If you just keep doing what you are doing now, it is unlikely that you will improve your vision. That is why I recommend getting a teacher or some friends to practice with in person so that you can learn more.

good luck!

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see my vision diary blog: http://sorrisi.wordpress.com

Start: 5/200
After 8 months: 20/50
now, 5/10, 10/20, still improving and loving it