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The Irony
#1
"A 2005 review of scientific papers on the subject (the Bates Method) concluded that there was "no clear scientific evidence" that eye exercises were effective in treating myopia"

A Quote from Wikipedia.

lol - how ironic is it that in the review they completely missed the point of the Bates Method - I must say though, I totally agree with them - eye EXCERCISES don't work. lol Smile This really cheered me up.
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#2
Great catch! It really shows how blind-sided some people are huh?
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#3
Yeh sure does Smile

Here is another quote:

"A recent Malaysian study reported in New Scientist suggested that undercorrection of myopia caused more rapid progression of myopia".

Yes, its true if you strain your eyes whilst wearing the glasses, but otherwise it is a relief for your eyes, surely?

My mum and dad don't believe that the Bate's method works, but they are unprepared to give it a go either, which to me seems like a waste - they both complain about wearing glasses, but when given an opportunity to get rid of them, they don't take it!

Anyway, i suppose if they did try it, as vision is primarily mental, if they didn't believe it would work, it wouldn't.

Smile
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#4
You gotta hate the ego of some people!

You should show them that it works! I've been trying for years with little luck. And it doesn't help that all of my friends are now like, "Told you it didn't work."
(BTW: I don't think Bates has an apostrophe in it)
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#5
Lol - you'll get there eventually, just keep at it. Smile
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#6
Hmm... If you've been trying for years with little luck, I would recommend you try out a simple biofeedback training device/system for stimulating central fixation and clear flashes. Search my posts on these forums and check out the photos on my picasa link below. 8) :Smile Smile
Summer Wrote:You gotta hate the ego of some people!

You should show them that it works! I've been trying for years with little luck. And it doesn't help that all of my friends are now like, "Told you it didn't work."
(BTW: I don't think Bates has an apostrophe in it)
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#7
Summer - Hmm, again ... I think I misread your line about 'trying for years' - you probably meant '... to convince the skeptics." Never mind. Wink

JMartinC4 Wrote:Hmm... If you've been trying for years with little luck, I would recommend you try out a simple biofeedback training device/system for stimulating central fixation and clear flashes. Search my posts on these forums and check out the photos on my picasa link below. 8) :Smile Smile
Summer Wrote:You gotta hate the ego of some people!

You should show them that it works! I've been trying for years with little luck. And it doesn't help that all of my friends are now like, "Told you it didn't work."
(BTW: I don't think Bates has an apostrophe in it)
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#8
Anyone ever read the myth of the Cave by Plato?
Its very interesting how something that is said before 2000 years is seasonable today.

World haven't changed at all.
People just have televisions, personal computers, mobile phones with cameras and music players, fancy cars, but the thoughts of the ones that afraid that the Heavens will fall on the heads still remain.

They wont believe you.
Even if you got 20/20 or even 40/10, they won't believe you.
Because if the believe you, they commit the are wrong. And that pus their whole existence under question. And if they believe you, they will wonder for every little piece in their lives.
Most of the people can put their selves in all that suffering for more insignificant reasons.


We are "open minded".
We found Bates method.
We analyzed, we calculated, we concluded.
We counted the potential risk, and there wasn't any risk.
We given it a try.
We are not afraid do be wrong, we will learn from our errors.
Perfection is passing from a series of error. The biggest artist have made many error to be great, but he never commits that he is great.
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#9
Yeh, I agree - people still won't believe when you say you have done it - they will put it down to something else. All you need to do is tell yourself that everyone else is wrong if they say you haven't got 20/20, at the end of the day, they are the ones missing out. If people are unwilling to try a safe method, which has been proven, and try to stop other people from doing it (and even the people who are doing it at the minute), then let them, just keep in your head that you know better and eventuallly you will get the results. People tell me all the time at the minute that it doesn't work, because I have been doing it for a year without any acuity improvements, but I just let it all wash over my head - most of the time I find it quite funny to see their side of the argument and pick pieces in it.

People who say it doesn't work in my opinion are just believing the optic industry (and who can blame them). This is a huge industry which tries to help people by giving them some concave or convex lenses which allows them to see - therefore people trust them. If today the optics industry launched a huge campaign showing that the Bate's method worked today, everyone would be doing it. We already know it works, so are just ahead of the game Smile

One day, someone will show it works again, like Bates did, and dedicate their life to showing it, like Bates did, and eventually people will believe it and try it - People laughed at the first person to say the world was round, now everyone knows it Smile

My way of trying to convince people is this:

Your eyes are made of muscles. So care your legs, essentially, with just a bit of bone holding it in shape. If you pull or strain a muscle in your leg, it will get better over time as long as you rest it, and the same thing goes for the eyes - the fact that there is no bone in your eyes is irrelevant, they are still just muscles. You don't pull the bone in your leg - you pull the muscle. Rest your leg, the muscle gets better. Rest your eyes, the acuity gets better Smile

Happy Relaxing Smile
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#10
You know what i want?
I want to make it to 30/10 or something like that, and then go to an "eye specialist" and tell him that i have a problem and i don't see as i was seeing. Then i will let him see the papers from other doctors that are around -11 and -11,5 or something, and i would really like to see is face when he will find out that i have 30/10. 8)
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#11
JMartinC4 Wrote:Summer - Hmm, again ... I think I misread your line about 'trying for years' - you probably meant '... to convince the skeptics." Never mind. Wink

JMartinC4 Wrote:Hmm... If you've been trying for years with little luck, I would recommend you try out a simple biofeedback training device/system for stimulating central fixation and clear flashes. Search my posts on these forums and check out the photos on my picasa link below. 8) :Smile Smile
Summer Wrote:You gotta hate the ego of some people!

You should show them that it works! I've been trying for years with little luck. And it doesn't help that all of my friends are now like, "Told you it didn't work."
(BTW: I don't think Bates has an apostrophe in it)

Oh, no actually you had it right the first time. I just forgot to visit this forum when I was last online. I have a hard time searching forums, you couldn't search one for me? And perhaps I'll portal or link through from there?
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#12
its even more ironic to think about the belief that to see is to believe when the person hardly sees lol O0
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#13
I was 'using' the setup today, with one device center-right, another left periphery and a third right periphery. I read the 10ft snellen line easily and then most of the 7ft with some head rotation, and some of the 4ft line when holding and looking back 'over the left shoulder' position. Alignment. It's all about alignment. And timing. And shimmy-shifting motion. And breathing. And unifying the center. And alignment. And confidence. And belief. And knowledge. And acceptance. And happiness. And alignment. Aligning the eyes. Aligning the head and neck. Aligning the torso. Aligning the hips. And relaxing.... 8)
Summer Wrote:
JMartinC4 Wrote:Summer - Hmm, again ... I think I misread your line about 'trying for years' - you probably meant '... to convince the skeptics." Never mind. Wink

You should show them that it works! I've been trying for years with little luck. And it doesn't help that all of my friends are now like, "Told you it didn't work."
(BTW: I don't think Bates has an apostrophe in it)
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Oh, no actually you had it right the first time. I just forgot to visit this forum when I was last online. I have a hard time searching forums, you couldn't search one for me? And perhaps I'll portal or link through from there?[/quote]
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#14
I was under the impression that your "biofeedback" thing was a relaxation technique. Is it a setup? I'm beginning to become confused!
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#15
No, it is an extension of a technique which I discovered independently last fall, and which one of our forum members informed me was used by Dr. Bates to stimulate central fixation and clear vision flashes.
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