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#46
Hello,

I'm from Belgium and am wearing glasses for about 12 years now(since I was 12, so about half my life). I stumbled across Bates while searching the internet after a friend told me that there where ways to naturally improve your sight.

I have read some lecture and sites about Bates and his methods, and I am experiencing regularly flashes while I do not wear my glasses as well as a relief whenever "I CAN take them off". And that's where my problem (probably with many people) starts.

I have a prescription of -6 (whatever 20 scale that may be) in both eyes. I work as a programmer, that's 8hrs a day with glasses behind a computer plus 2 hrs 30 totally traffic from/to work.

That is why I am thinking to get some weaker glasses, but how weak can I go? -5, -4.5? thinkint about safety on the road (altough i could drive without them now if there where no traffic, no reglementations) and being able to work "according today's economic standards" (in other words, asap).
#47
Your prescriptions are very similar to what I had too.

With a -6.0 prescription, you can drive during the daytime with -5.25, but at night street signs will be blurry, which is ok if you are familiar with the roads.  What I did was keep the pair of -6.0 glasses in the car for night time driving in unfamiliar places.  You may also want to consider getting computer glasses, around -4.0, that will allow you to see clearly to the computer screen but not too much, and that will relieve a lot of strain on your eyes while doing near-range work.

Good luck,
Joanna
#48
Don't you think that -4 is too low usually?

Because I have a friend with -3 and he can't see with 1.5 from 45cm clearly.

I think it is better to try some lenses before buying.
#49
It would depend on how far away your monitor is, actually.  I was going off by my monitor distance, which is 40cm away.  My eyes are at -5.75 right now and I can see that using -3.75 lenses. 

You can actually go to optometrists for a Rx specifically for computer use.  They put a piece of paper with small font on it at whatever distance away you tell them, and then they prescribe you lenses for that.
#50
greetings, i am nearsighted and astigmatic. i have worn glasses for approximately 40 years... (gadz!... it suddenly occurs to me that i may be approaching middle age...) i hate glasses, but have always viewed them as a necessary evil. about 20 years ago, i found a book about vision without glasses... don't remember which one... but started out with it... my family and wife gave me significant grief... i quit. (seemed glasses were better than nagging at the time.)

for some reason a few nights back, i stumbled across one of the websights about vision improvement (pun intended)... that got me to thinking about vision and glasses and such...

in an e-mail to Dave, i mentioned that it seems to me that if man has been mucking about the planet for thousands of years (or more) and that without glasses, then it is modern attitudes which have changed, not the ability of the human eye to perceive. that said, (i could launch into a horrid diatribe about modern technology's ongoing contributions to man's laziness, but....) it seems to me that the way to correct one's visual acuity deficiencies must lie in one's mind and mind set... not in one's wallet (so to speak).... the more i read about the Bates method, the more its logic screams out to me.... the vision of the mind's eye is perfect. see with that!

i have decided that i will no longer wear glasses. my goal is to get that horrible "corrective lenses required" curse removed from my driver's license. my vision is somewhere in the neighborhood of 20/70.... the state requires 20/40... i will settle for 20/20....  interestingly... the more i consider this journey, the more i realize that to succeed i must not seek vision. i must have vision.  i must have a vision. and i must relax.

i look forward to many interesting, educating, exciting encounters here. i hope to learn from those who walk with, befor and after me...

greetings to all.
jim
#51
Dear Jim,

There has been profound OBJECTION to that minus lens -- and the
leader has been Bates.  I take all objection to the minus lens
to be the second-opinion.  But the main goal "empowerment"
so that you learn enough to clear your Snellen from
20/70 to 20/40 or better, pass the DMV and get
rid of the minus.  The real issue is "how do I do it".

This is the Bates segment of Dave's site.  The "other-methods"
discuss the use of a preventive plus.   Your "perspective'
matches Bates beliefs -- and mine also.

Some more commentary:


in an e-mail to Dave, i mentioned that it seems to me that if man has been mucking about the planet for thousands of years (or more) and that without glasses, then it is modern attitudes which have changed, not the ability of the human eye to perceive.

Otis> That is correct.  It would be good to remember that the
natural eye "in the wild" has refractive STATES running from
zero to +2 diopters -- and excellent vision with refractive
STATES in that range.


that said, (i could launch into a horrid diatribe about modern technology's ongoing contributions to man's laziness, but....)

Otis> BINGO!  But add, a child's lazy habit of  placing his nose ON THE BOOK, and inducing a negative refractive STATE in his natural eyes -- well
I think you get the idea.


it seems to me that the way to correct one's visual acuity deficiencies must lie in one's mind and mind set...

Otis>  The "mind-set" is indeed in us -- as well as the majority-opinion OD.
The real issue is how we break out of this mind-set.


not in one's wallet (so to speak).... the more i read about the Bates method, the more its logic screams out to me.... the vision of the mind's eye is perfect. see with that!

Otis>  The natural eye's behavior is indeed perfect.  It is our refusal
to understand it that causes us massive problems.  Thus
our "imagination-blindness".

i have decided that i will no longer wear glasses. my goal is to get that horrible "corrective lenses required" curse removed from my driver's license. my vision is somewhere in the neighborhood of 20/70....

Otis> The issues, as I see it, it "Taking control" with some
probability of success.  That is an "open question".  I suggest
down-loading some Snellens (from i-see) put them up and
form and ACCURATE idea of what you truly read (guess
1/2 the letters correctly.)


the state requires 20/40... i will settle for 20/20....

Otis> Make it a 2-step process.  Get to 20/40, go pass the
DMV.  Then thank your lucky stars.  Than continue to
20/20.

  interestingly... the more i consider this journey, the more i realize that to succeed i must not seek vision. i must have vision.  i must have a vision. and i must relax.

Otis> You must seek "Truth" -- or YOUR TRUTH.  And have a "vision"
about what is possible, and a belief that you can succeed.
You must also understand the intellectual blindness of the
majority-opinion ODs, and why they are of no help to
you.

Otis>  We all wish you good luck in your journey.
Keep and open mind.

INTRODUCTION

Oh, and let me introduce myself.  I am an engineer
interested in the dynamic behavior of all natural or
fundamental eyes.

I am interested in helping MOTIVATED people (and their
children avoid ENTRY into a negative refractive STATE.

I do maintain a scientific (not medical) site for that
purpose, honoring ALL second-opinion optometrists,
medical people and scientist to advocate prevention
at the threshold.

<!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.myopiafree.com">http://www.myopiafree.com</a><!-- w -->

My "philosophy" is that I prefer a "fighting chance"
at prevention, versus no chance at all.


Best,

Otis
#52
thank you for the response, otis.

having read all but a very few postings contained herein before undertaking a posting myself, i am not in the least surprised to learn you are an engineer. i look forward to your analytical insights in sight.

the longest journey begins with a single step... my destination is 20/20... but i know that the last step cannot be taken until those before it have been taken.... this will be a rewarding journey with much to see along the way....

again, thank you for your response.

jim
#53
Just found this buried a few pages down and thought I would bump it back up to the top.
#54
HI!
My Name is Ahsan Ali Shahid.I am wearing glasses for about 16 months. My eye sight is
-3.25 L and -3.5 R.  (Myopia)
I had heard about the Bates method from a friend but I am still not sure will it be working for me or not?
Mr. Dave please tell me if I do the exercises frequently, then how much time will it take for a perfect eyesight?

Reagrds
Ahsan ALi Shahid
#55
Hi my name is Karen and I have a 12 year old son called Stuart who was diagnosed with myopia today. He has been fitted for glasses and gets them sometime this week. We are both suprised to learn he needs them and was alerted to the problem recently by the school nurse. There is no history of this in our family and both myself and my husband who are in our forties have excellent vision and both Stuarts brothers are fine too.
I have spent the evening surfing the net reading up on things and came across this site. Dr Bates theory looks very interesting and I think we may try it before he gets his glasses to see if it will correct itself.
I'm just looking for a bit of support and advice about everything as I've got genetic links, food theories, PC problems etc coming out of my ears at the moment. ;D
#56
Hi missmuffet

Dr Bates has said that with eyesight that is about 20/70 - which is when a "problem" is often first detected - and the person is fitted with typical minus lenses for myopia, the uncorrected vision will quickly go to 20/200 within about two weeks.  Many on this site believe this to be true. 

If your son is not having a problem doing day to day tasks, there is no need to rush to glasses.  I have an 8 year old daughter who supposedly has 20/100 in one eye and 20/200 in the other with an astigmatism, and we have not gotten glasses yet.  She sits in the front of the classroom, and we have started the Bates methods. 

Glasses will only ingrain temporary visual problems and produce bad habits that will see the eyes continually get worse.  I am a high myope, and I do not know of one child who was given glasses who did not end up needing stronger and stronger prescriptions.  With four kids in our family, three of us wear glasses of -6 diopters correction or greater.  One sister has only about -1.5 diopters - she is the only one who refused to listen to our parents growing up and took her glasses off on the way to school every day.  She often goes without glasses today and may even be able to pass the drivers test without glasses. 

I encourage you to research this site more and many others about natural vision improvement.  Depending on where you are located, you may be able to find a Bates teacher who often can help get you on the right track quicker than you can on your own. 
#57
Thanks for that,
I actually don't know what score he got. On the sheet we got to take home it just said -050 for both eyes. But she did say he was short sighted and needed glasses to correct it.
I'm  going to buy some books related to Dr Bates theory. I'm going to limit PC Ps2 time, I'm going to start reducing his white bread and refined sugar intake and practice the exercises.
I'm glad I found this site before he gets his glasses! Big Grin
#58
Hi Otis,

So to me that means that Stuart is only just out of the normal range  :-\

Thanks for the extra info.

I think I'll also have plenty of questions for the opthamologist when I next see her.

Karen
#59
As Otis said, the sheet you took home shows a -0.5 diopter correction for both eyes.  You have plenty of time to research and try natural vision improvement or the methods that Otis suggests.  Just be aware, there is a difference. 

Most modern natural vision improvement (NVI) training is based on the Bates method.  Bates believed that all imperfect eyesight was due to mental strain which inhibits how the physical eye works.  His methods work to reduce strain and regain the natural movement that produces normal vision. He extensively studied people with normal vision and discovered many good vision habits.  Bates practioners also recognize the mind and emotional health as significant factors in natural vision.

The recommendations on <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.myopiafree.com">http://www.myopiafree.com</a><!-- w --> are based on a theory that nearsightedness has to do with deterioration of the physical eye that can be stopped and even reversed using the opposite type of lens, a plus lens.  This still involves wearing glasses for a period of time. 

Here are links to some natural vision improvement sites as well:

<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.vision-training.com/">http://www.vision-training.com/</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.visioneducators.org/">http://www.visioneducators.org/</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.seeing.org/">http://www.seeing.org/</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://beyond2020vision.com/youreyes">http://beyond2020vision.com/youreyes</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://health.discovery.com/centers/althealth/deepbreath/deepbreathe.html">http://health.discovery.com/centers/alt ... eathe.html</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.i-see.org/">http://www.i-see.org/</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.eyecycle.org/">http://www.eyecycle.org/</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.eyerobics.net/">http://www.eyerobics.net/</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.clearvisionnaturally.com/">http://www.clearvisionnaturally.com/</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.central-fixation.com/">http://www.central-fixation.com/</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.vision-training.com/">http://www.vision-training.com/</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.visioneducators.com/">http://www.visioneducators.com/</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.naturalvisioncenter.com/">http://www.naturalvisioncenter.com/</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.outlook-insight.com/">http://www.outlook-insight.com/</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.visionlady.com/">http://www.visionlady.com/</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.relaxedvision.com/">http://www.relaxedvision.com/</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.visionimprovementsite.com/">http://www.visionimprovementsite.com/</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.i-care.net/index.html">http://www.i-care.net/index.html</a><!-- m -->
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.self-healing.org/">http://www.self-healing.org/</a><!-- m -->
#60
Thanks for being so helpful, I'm really grateful Wink

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