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very dry eyes after sleep
#16
I know what you mean. I noticed the same thing as you. Because I thought that something must be wrong I've done my reaserch today... and I was right Smile
As ironicaly as it sounds your eyes will not rest during sleep, they will stay at whetever condition you will leave it Smile If you go to sleep with your eyes tired you will wake up with even more tirednes..

Quote:During sleep the refractive condition of the eye is rarely, if ever,
normal. Persons whose refraction is normal when they are awake
will produce myopia, hypermetropia and astigmatism when they
are asleep, or, if they have errors of refraction when they are
awake, they will be increased during sleep. This is why people
waken in the morning with eyes more tired than at any other
time, or even with severe headaches.

Quote:Most people, when told that rest, or relaxation, will cure their
eye troubles, ask why sleep does not do so. The answer to this
question was given in Chapter VII. The eyes are rarely, if ever,
completely relaxed in sleep, and if they are under a strain when
the subject is awake, that strain will certainly be continued during
sleep, to a greater or less degree, just as a strain of other parts of
the body is continued.
The idea that it rests the eyes not to use them is also erroneous.
The eyes were made to see with, and if when
they are open they do not see, it is because they are under such a
strain and have such a great error of refraction that they cannot
see. Near vision, although accomplished by a muscular act, is no
more a strain on them than is distant vision, although
accomplished without the intervention of the muscles. The use of
the muscles does not necessarily produce fatigue. Some men can
run for hours without becoming tired. Many birds support
themselves upon one foot during sleep, the toes tightly clasping
the swaying bough and the muscles remaining unfatigued by the
apparent strain. Fabre tells of an insect which hung back
downward for ten months from the roof of its wire cage, and in
that position performed all the functions of life, even to mating
and laying its eggs. Those who fear the effect of civilization, with
its numerous demands for near vision, upon the eye may take
courage from the example of this marvelous little animal which, in
a state of nature, hangs by its feet only at intervals, but in captivity
can do it for ten months on end, the whole of its life's span,
apparently without inconvenience or fatigue
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#17
Yes, exactly, that's what I mean.
Maybe the problem is on an even deeper level - that is all the unsolved problems and unfinished thoughts of the day which we take with us when we sleep and which are still 'working' in our subconcious.
I remember that I profited a lot from this when I wrote my MA thesis. I often worked late in the night, sometimes without being able to get to a solution. Then I went to bed and when I started to fall asleep, suddenly everything 'cleared up', the 'errand pieces' fell to their appropriate place and everything seemed simple. It was as if I could see the problem from a different angle.

But real life is not always like a MA thesis, there are problems to which there is no simple and immediate solution possible; sometimes you can only wait and try to be optimistic and think of more pleasant things. During sleep the repressed worries creep back to the surface...
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#18
Nini, for what it's worth, a daily meditation practice and regular body-centered therapies (like massage or even EFT) seem to have gotten the lifelong restlessness out of my own body so I sleep more restfully. Daily vigorous exercise alone wasn't enough. If you're not sleeping well, your body isn't getting enough down-time which is when a lot of healing occurs, so I urge you to keep your focus on solving this. One restless night isn't a problem but I think a consistent pattern of this needs to be addressed. Take care of yourself!
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#19
Quote:Maybe the problem is on an even deeper level - that is all the unsolved problems and unfinished thoughts of the day which we take with us when we sleep and which are still 'working' in our subconcious.
Absoulutely Smile, also bad dreams can produce strain

I experienced this for myself, I thouht... OK eyes need rest and relaxation SO I WILL WORK ONE HOUR AND THAN SLEEP ONE HOUR becaue in my understanding
sleep equals relaxation.
You know what it done to me ?, My exercises restored my left eye but my eyes for the most of the day started to feel tired, I even thought that I have dry eye syndrome !!
For last 2 days I sleept no more during the day, allso I've done palming with ice rubing practice before sleep. What I notice ? I awake with fresh eyes, even though I spend last 2 days allmost most of the day in the front of computer (but I use 10/10/10 rule) and my eyes still are soo relaxed. SO my advice, learn on my mistake, sleep isnt allways a good thing, also try swinging/palming and rubing with ice ( around eye socket, eyebrows but dont touch the eyeball) before going to sleep Smile


ALso read Kazekage post
http://www.iblindness.org/community/view...?f=7&t=589
Quote:Eye Strain When Sleeping

By W. H. Bates, M. D.

MANY persons strain their eyes when sleeping. When they awake in the morning, they feel pain in their eyes with imperfect sight and often with severe headache. They may feel all tired out, not refreshed or rested by a sleep of eight hours or longer. In some cases the sleep may not have been disturbed by dreams. Dreams are not always remembered for any great length of time. There are people who can recall dreams in their early childhood twenty, thirty, forty years ago, but their recent dreams cannot be remembered longer than a few minutes or a few hours after awakening. To keep accurate records of dreams requires that they be recorded as soon as possible. Pleasant dreams do not always mean relaxation, but dreams of snakes, nightmares, fighting, crimes and horrible experiences of all sorts are usually followed by imperfect sight caused by eye strain.

Some of my patients with a severe trouble of the eyes have told me some very awful dreams. During sleep the ticking of a clock or the outside noises in the street may be the starting point of a very exciting, disagreeable or uncomfortable dream which is due to strain.

I am tempted to relate my personal experiences in dreams. Recently I awakened in the morning with a feeling that I had been dreaming. I got into a fight with a drunken man and had soaked the bedpost with my fist with disastrous results to the skin of my knuckles. Afterwards I noticed that the white tiled floor instead of being white the blocks were alternately pink and blue and this illusion continued for a half hour when it gradually disappeared. On another occasion, I awakened after a dreamless sleep and noticed that the ceiling was covered with a very white cloud similar to a veil. This illusion disappeared in five or ten minutes.

Many patients ask: "Why do I have so much pain, discomfort, imperfect sight in the morning after a good sleep?"

My answer is: "Because you strain your eyes and all the nerves of your body when you are asleep."

But for me to explain the facts further is something I cannot do. All I know is the fact that it is so. New born babies, half an hour after birth and later, by simultaneous retinoscopy produce a deformation of the eyeball, nearsightedness (myopia), farsightedness (hypermetropia), astigmatism of variable degree, at short intervals of a few hours. At one time, myopia will be found of the same amount in each eye; or one eye may be normal while the other eye may be myopic. At the second examination, both eyes may be normal, hypermetropic, or with any form of astigmatism. The child may produce any combination of errors of refraction by eye strain when asleep which may persist for a longer or shorter period when awake. At times the eyes become normal when the child is awake. Squint or strabismus in its various forms always occurs and is also variable. The use of strong atropine, 3 ½ per cent., instilled into both eyes does not prevent the manifestations of eye strain in new born children when asleep.

In adults, simultaneous retinoscopy demonstrates the production of near-sightedness and other deformations of the eyeball by eye strain during sleep but which usually become less or disappear and the eyes resume their normal shape in a few hours after awakening. Just as in babies atropine does not prevent, during sleep, the results of eye strain.

Hypnotism, ether, chloroform and nitrous oxide gas are all accompanied by well marked eye strain during sleep produced by these agents.

Eye strain during sleep may produce in the normal eye severe pain with hardness of the eyeball simulating the increased tension of an attack of glaucoma. In all diseases of the eyes, inflammations of the eyelids, cornea, iris, lens (cataract) retina and optic nerve eye strain during sleep increases the severity of the symptoms with a corresponding loss of vision, temporary or more permanent. Detachment of the retina has been aggravated or produced by eye strain during sleep.

The results of eye strain during sleep are so disastrous that I believe proper treatment is essential. Some patients have been benefited by "Palming" for half an hour or longer before dropping of to sleep. "Go to sleep while palming. Palm if you wake up during the night. Practice the long or short 'Swing' before retiring," I advise.

Some people seem to sleep longer than is necessary and the eye strain may appear increased. Some observations made of a four hour period of sleep during the night with or without a nap in the day time seemed to show less eye strain.

Posture during sleep has been studied. Lying on the face has generally been accompanied by an increase of eye strain. Sleeping on the back with the arms and limbs extended with slight flexion is undoubtedly better than sleeping on the right or left side. A cramped posture is always wrong. The patient is not always conscious of his posture when asleep. In a number of cases observed by friends of the patient, one or both arms were held behind the head while asleep and strenuously denied by the patient when awake.

The correction of this and other strained positions of the arms and limbs has been followed by decided benefit to the vision.

Eye strain during sleep produces or increases the symptoms of strain in various parts of the body. Some months ago I suffered from an attack of the grippe and had a very strong cough without expectoration. This cough was spasmodic and did not bother me very much during the day and when it did it was very easy for me to obtain sufficient relaxation to control it. But at night it was terrible, it would wake me up a few hours after I had retired and the coughing would be so severe and continuous that it was impossible for me to obtain relaxation of the eye strain while the room was dark. I was compelled to get out of bed and light the light in order to practice the long swing which gave me relief in an incredibly short time, a few minutes or less. I would then go back to bed and sleep for a few hours or the rest of the night without being disturbed by the cough. It was interesting to me that the relief of the eye strain was also a benefit to the bronchial or other lung tension.

For some years I had been afflicted with a chronic tuberculosis of the right elbow joint which at times caused great pain. When I became able to relax the eye strain, to remember or imagine perfect sight, the pain in the elbow disappeared. One evening I retired as usual and slept very comfortably until one o'clock when I was awakened with an intense pain in the elbow. The pain was so severe that I lost all control of my mind and became practically insane. I was unable to remember even my own name or any of the letters on the Snellen Test Card which I read every day. The doctor who was summoned gave me a hyperdermic with morphine every little while but without any appreciable relief. I kept saying, "Somebody help me to remember black," but my attendants sat around the room saying nothing and all they seemed able to do was to watch me suffer and give me morphine. This continued for four hours. During all this time I instinctively was trying to remember or imagine something that I had seen before. All of a sudden I remembered a large black C and the pain let up. In a few minutes I became able to remember all the letters on the Snellen Test Card and fell asleep. I woke up an hour later, six o'clock, apparently perfectly well without any sign of pain or soreness in the elbow. I dressed without any trouble, went downtown to the office and did a day's work without any return of the eye strain or pain in the elbow.

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EDIT: Another useful article:

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Sleepiness and Eyestrain

By W. H. Bates, M.D.

How much sleep is necessary to maintain health? This is a question which has never been satisfactorily answered. Theoretically, mental or physical work should increase the need for sleep, but it is a matter of common knowledge that many inactive persons seem to need just as much sleep as those who work. or even more.

Much time has been devoted to the investigation of the symptoms of fatigue. Analyses have been made of the blood of fatigued subjects; the action of the muscles. nerves and brain, the changes in the structure of the cells, under the influence of fatigue, the changes following sleep, have all been carefully studied. But so far very little light has been thrown upon the nature of either fatigue or sleep.

This is a fact, however: that eyestrain has always been demonstrated when fatigue was present, and that fatigue has always been relieved when eyestrain was relieved. Perfect sight is perfect rest, and cannot coexist with fatigue. Even the memory or imagination of fatigue is accompanied by the production of eyestrain and imperfect sight, while the memory of perfect sight will relieve both eyestrain and fatigue. Sleepiness is a common symptom of habitual eyestrain, and when the sight improves the need for sleep is often markedly reduced.

One patient reports that after gaining normal sight without glasses she was able to get on comfortably with seven hours sleep, whereas she had formerly not been able to avoid continual sleepiness and yawning even on nine and ten hours. The inclination to yawn on all occasions had been so overpowering, she stated, that it often subjected her to great embarrassment. On one occasion she yawned so incessantly during a call made in the early evening that the visitor concluded, not unnaturally, that her presence was a burden and departed in high dudgeon, no explanations sufficing to convince her that the yawning was not the result of boredom. The patient was made very unhappy by this condition, but finally became reconciled to it in a measure. thinking that what could not be cured must be endured. Great was her surprise and delight, therefore, when, after discarding her glasses and beginning to practice central fixation, she found herself sleeping less and not yawning so much. She made no conscious effort, she said, to check the yawning, and had indeed almost forgotten about it. She now gets sleepy only at bedtime.

Another patient, although he never had any desire to sleep in the daytime, found it very difficult to keep awake in the evening. At the opera or theatre, at lectures and social gatherings, and at church, he was always sleepy and often went to sleep. It was naturally more difficult for him to keep awake when lie was not interested, but whether he was interested or not he was sure to become more or less sleepy. He never went to a lecture without going to sleep. and the world's most famous song-birds were not always able to keep him awake at the opera. In the case of dull papers or sermons, it did no good to think of something else, for the sound of the speaker's voice acted like an opiate. When lie learned how to relax by the aid of the memory, imagination, shifting, swinging and palming. the trouble gradually became less, and now he can stay awake at all times and in all places where people are supposed to stay awake.

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#20
I have been thinking about meditation myself for some time, but somehow I never got started...
Rubbing with ice will be even more effective than splashing cold water perhaps a combination of both will be the best.

Thanks a lot, Nancy and Pawel for for your caring and good suggestions.

For the moment, stress at work is a bit less, but due to some circumstances we might loose everything which my husband and I build up during the last 13 years.
I hope to 'see clearer' soon (which will most probably also 'clear' my eyesight a bit), but first I have to get through this difficult period; I find the uncertainty most difficult to bear, without being able to exert any influence, having no control over the situatin...
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#21
I am going to try the ice method also. Thanks!
As for dreaming - I have found that if I tell myself what I want to dream about just before sleeping, I often get the kind of dream I wanted (though the dream content varies). Sometimes there will be a delay of a day or so before the dream type comes through. It also helps if I am reading something similar to what I want to dream about for myself.
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#22
JMartinC4 - it is because Universe will reflect whetever you think and it also applies to health problems. Search for documentary "the secret 2006" directed by Rhonda Byrne", or "Greg Braden, language of DIvine matrix".

Also about dry/tired eyes, YOU NEED TO DRINK min 2 Liters of mineral water pay day (Normal water in your home has fluoride and it is a serious drug that influance your mind, you begining to feel more hopeless, you give up, it is used because government need stupid people who allways obey !!), and even 4 liters are recommended. Read ebook "TheHealingPowerofWater" to know why I recommended this practice. Basicaly your whole body will become more healthy and especialy it will help eyes to produce more tears . If you even add one ingredient (sugar, coffe, tea, as this author of book found) our body dont use this as as it should, it will recognise it as a food. Your body become easly dehydrated and it is easy to get headache, even when you are thersty it is allready a sign that your water reserve become depleted at least 30min ago. You should drink water before you are thersty. First day when I tried I didnt notice any changes but after week everyone started teling me that I look healthier, younger and I really feel more energised.
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#23
JMartinC4 Wrote:I am going to try the ice method also. Thanks!
As for dreaming - I have found that if I tell myself what I want to dream about just before sleeping, I often get the kind of dream I wanted (though the dream content varies). Sometimes there will be a delay of a day or so before the dream type comes through. It also helps if I am reading something similar to what I want to dream about for myself.
I tested the eye 'ice bath' last night with okay improvement, it definitely does what we expect and I hope it will speed up the strain/stress reduction process. My method was to place to cubes from an icetray into a resealable plastic bag and place the bag on my eyelids/brows/etc so that each cube could rest on one eye orbit. I also moved it around to spread the stress/strain cold remedy. I could only stand it for a minute or so at a time, but I think it is a good technique.
I have another improvement observation/technique which I will add to the section on eye blink timing.
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#24
I not only use Ice. After every ice rub I'm imadetly splashing warm water (but not hot) at my face and closed eyes.... Than I do palming for 4 min.
About eye blink timing, it doesnt concern me anymore, I dont sleep during the day anymore, I have fresh eyes for most of the day. What I noticed is this :
When I work with computer, my eyes blink automaticly after about 3-5 secconds but when I walk along the park they automaticly blink after about 8 seconds and very slowly and relaxed. It looks like my eyes really are enjoying wathing the nature, they even shift at the detalis of each objects automaticly, they dont stare anymore Smile
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#25
What about heating in the room you sleep? I intensely felt the influence of heating when I wore contact lenses. Frequent venting of your room is helpful.
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