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retinal vein occlusion
#1
Have any of you had to deal/familiar with a condition called Retinal Vein Occlusion? My wife just saw a retina specialist about the soreness she was having in her eye and was told that she has some hemorrhaging at her retina due to rvo. And it can even lead to blindness.
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#2
First, I am not a doctor, so cannot make a diagnosis or prescribe pharmaceuticals. With that in mind, let me make a couple of points. First, I don't think palming would do any harm and might be a big help, calming and bringing healing energy to the eyes. In a workshop with Peter Grunwald a few summers ago, one of my roommates had a similar condition with bleeding at the back of her eye, and she said Peter told her to do a lot of palming. Second, don't get too attached to the doctor's "worst-case scenario". They probably have to give you this information for legal reasons, but your wife could just as well be the miracle case who heals completely. Finally, I also don't get too attached to any specific medical labels -- a diagnosis can be a curse, locking you in that cage with no other possibilities. Dr. Bates cured all kinds of supposedly different eye problems (which to me were just different manifestations of the same underlying straining habits) with similar methods of focusing on attention and easy eye movements. If it were me I'd just keep my mind on doing the practices every day, and watch myself get better and better. Keep us posted.
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#3
Does she wear glasses? I have some students that have had this; one similar to condition you are describing and the other had holes, leaking in the retina; CSR I think is the term. Both were 90% blind.

Both had worn glasses for many years. One had worn reading glasses for 20 years.
He quit the glasses and the condition healed, eyesight returned. No operation needed. Then he went back to using the glasses and a magnifying glass. The condition returned. He stopped glasses and use of the magnifier and the condition has cured again.

A man wore glasses for 20+ years for distant vision and certain semi-close distances. He developed cataract, glaucoma and many eye problems. He learned the Bates method and stopped eyeglasses for a year or so. His blindness cured, cataract gone, glaucoma reversing, no eyedrops needed. Then he went through a tough time in his life and was stressed out big time!. His eye doctor talked him into wearing glasses and prescribed him the strongest glasses he has ever had in his life. He wore them for about a year. Maybe longer. His vision reversed; glaucoma attack, big flashing blue lights, pain in the eyes, then went almost completely blind 2 weeks after; like always in the moonlight. Later a Blood vessel or capillary in the retina burst; bleeding in the eyes and he developed a dark cataract in the other eye. He had a operation to fix the bleeding and has now completely stopped all eye glasses. Since he's now blind, the glasses won't help so hes not wearing them. He's now doing palming, shifting, lot sunlight, memory imagination. Getting some symptoms of vision returning, mainly perception of light and shadow, objects on the eyes when open or closed. At first seemed like was only the mind doing this but now seems to be carrying over to the eyes, vision. Hoping for full return of vision.

Best I can say is; stop all eyeglasses.
She must not do any rough exercise, sports, inversion, trampoline while she has the condition...
On the internet it says the condition can be caused by a blockage in a vein to the retina.
Stopping eyeglasses will relax the outer eye muscles, along with the Bates method; this improves the eyes shape, removes tension, abnormal pressure on/in the eye and this improves the circulation. If there is an obstruction, ask your doctor first before improving circulation to, in the eye. The obstruction may need to be cleared out by the doctor first. If its another cause; still check with the doctor first.

Ask you doctor first; about bilberry; berries only, not the leaf. Also the white peels of lemons, oranges; rutin, bioflavoins... These are nutritious and strengthen the blood vessels, capillaries in the eye, retina and improve circulation. Also eat alot of spinach. My spelling may be wrong for the rutin. See ingredients ikn Occu-plus by the vitamin shoppe. You can buy a better brand at organic health stores but don't deviate from the ingredients. No eye-bright. Also buy extra dark purple bilberry capsules. No preservatives, no chemicals.
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#4
Thank you both for your help. Nancy, your personal experience of vision improvement from high myopia is a good example for my wife to follow. Hopefully she'll be encouraged by looking at your website because she is so dependent on using her glasses. Clark, the cases you cited are good for us to know and the consequences are so scary to think about...and can also affect the other eye. Thanks also for the food suggestions for strengthening the blood vessels, I'll look more into that. What did you mean by "like always in the moonlight"?

We are seeing the retina specialist again this week and find out results of all the blood tests and effect of the drug injection for swelling/bleeding at the retina. There doesn't seem to be a cure for rvo at this time. She's not comfortable with the treatment facing her...either injections with new, non-FDA approved drugs (used for cancer treatment) or steroids to relieve the swelling...and they have bad side effects.
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#5
Clark had some good suggestions about nutrition, bilberry and citrus pectin, both high in vitamin C. The highest concentration of vitamin C in the body, if I'm remembering correctly, is in the lens of the eye. This time of year with all the fresh fruits and vegetables is ideal for eating in a healthy nourishing joyous way, and I'm convinced we see better when we feel good overall.

I well understand the fears of letting go of one's glasses, which used to make me feel powerless and helpless and defective, and the closely related fear of not being able to see. I had to deal with layers and layers of this as I reduced my prescription, and sometimes it still grabs me. I have many personal techniques for dealing with this issue, which isn't limited to eyesight improvement, and would be glad to work with your wife if she wishes. If she looks at my website she'll see I'm now also a LifeForce coach as well as a vision teacher. I'm hoping to help those (and learn from them!) who have issues they want to work on other than eyesight ones. Your wife is lucky to have your support and help. Take care.
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#6
Wish I knew the answer for a natural cure. Good luck and prayers for her doctor appointment, treatments.

I know eyeglasses cause these problems. When at this stage, any advanced eye problem I would NOT use any glasses including reduced eyeglasses; she needs to completely stop glasses, including contacts, magnifiers... to allow complete relaxation of the eye muscles, mind, eyes, return to normal circulation. Ask the eye doctor first but remember; most eye doctors don't know about the Bates method or don't want to teach it because they lose money on surgery, selling glasses.

"always in the moonlight" ; After he lost most of his vision, this was his vision; so low, dark was like in the woods, no lights only moonlight.
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#7
@lou: I hope I don't get banned for this (again), but if you run out of resources, you might want take a look at Panacea. It's downloadable here: http://www.kaisuviikari.com/panacea.htm. I haven't read it myself yet, but with luck there could be something useful.
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#8
In response to hereford_picnic;

You are directing the person to the dangerous, harmful plus lens eyeglass method. This will increase the pressure, tension in her eye muscles and eyes, further impairing the eyes circulation and worsen her condition! It also impairs function of the brain with the eyes, eye muscles.

Please do not use this method. The author of a main book on the subject is addicted to the plus lens method and one of his co-authors who has used the method for years developed cataracts, had operations for cataract, lasik on the cornea to try and correct astigmatism. All caused by the plus lenses. The eyeglass cataract replacement lens in his eyes has a prescription in it but he lets people think his vision is clear due to the plus lens method. He and many others have developed a variety of eye problems from the plus lens method.
Other people including the man I wrote about previously developed bleeding in the retina, other injuries and blindness due to using plus lenses.

Stay safe and healthy; avoid eyeglasses. Use the Bates Method.

I will be here keeping people informed of this danger.
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@clarknight: Thanks for the heads-up. I appreciate it and I will be very careful about this. I have to admit, though, that it looks like this doctor has found some common ground with Bates. I find some key points to be in line with Bates, even though these two have made the exact opposite conclusions. I think I will try get her opinion about Bates in the future, if she is still alive at that point.
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#10
Clark, as far as I know Otis didn't use plus lenses before his strong myopia and cataracts, though he does blame stronger and stronger minus lenses for his cataracts if I remember correctly. Then when he had the cataract operation to implant the corrective minus lens, he was determined to prevent further deterioration of his eyesight, and found practicing with plus lenses to be helpful for him. I really don't like that he promotes this as the cure for everyone, nor his ranting tone. I also don't think any lenses are the answer to better vision long-term, whether corrective minus lenses for myopia or plus ones for hyperopia or poor near sight -- many of us know people who need stronger and stronger corrections to keep their vision from getting worse. Nor do I think the "therapeutic" use of plus lenses, as Otis promotes, to help with myopia is useful. However, I don't think it's necessarily as destructive as you suggest. I also don't think the plus lenses caused Otis's cataracts -- that's overstating it and unfair. Some of the elderly people you work with do have cataracts and also wear reading glasses, so stronger and stronger plus lenses are not good for them, like strong minus lenses wouldn't be good for a myope. Plus lens "therapy" like Otis recommends for myopes, is not the same as plus lens correction for poor near vision. I don't think it's a good thing, myself, but am just trying to present a more accurate balanced viewpoint. I agree with you (and Dr. Bates) that glasses are not the solution.
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#11
Interesting Nancy,

I think I am right, checked my facts but if you can find the contrary I would like to investigate further.

I have followed Otis for quite a few years and his posts timeline. It always reads to me and others on the sci med, yahoo, google, other groups.. and here in the past that he developed cataracts, astigmatism... after plus lens method use. He has been evasive about the answer so you have to dig to find the truth. I think he developed cataract 2 times? Maybe the first time was from minus lens or minus and plus lens and second time from plus lens. Please show me his posts that show where he developed the cataract before using and advising plus lenses.

I am still against the Plus Lens. Looking through blurry close vision glasses as those guys suggest causes the eyes to develop unclear close vision and that leads to addiction to plus lens and cataract, eventually unclear distant vision too and the other eye problems; like the seniors get after using reading glasses but it can happen in younger people.

Yeah, all glasses are harmful.

People on the Yahoo or it was Google group were upset with me for posting about Otis, warning about Plus lens, and minus. A well known teacher had given into plus lens use and advising it. Now her vision is unclear and she has returned to Bates method only. I wish her health. Same positive thoughts to Otis, even though I am harsh with him; that's because he advises it to kids, pilots... everyone. He should advise it to nobody. Just get off of all glasses and be healthy.

I can't keep trying to state on here how harmful the Plus lens method is. It gets depressing, draining trying to keep the light of truth burning. I think maybe David could post a special page on the main website stating the side effects, harm of some methods; lasik, plus lens, minus lens, always wearing sunglasses, tinted, UV blocking lenses, 3-cups, unnecessary chiropractic... (Nancy... add some more suggestions) so people know ahead of time what to avoid and David, all of us won't have to endlessly watch the forum for people posting advice that can cause injury and burn out re-typing.

I will add this idea to David's "Site Suggestions" section and others can add their ideas.
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