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Anticorrective lense sucess story
#16
The Plus Lens method causes cataract, detached retina, many eye-vision problems.
Using the plus lens, anti corrective eyeglass method causes addiction to eyeglasses, progressive vision impairment.

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Myopi...opics/2509

http://frauenfeldclinic.com/myopia-forum...duction-2/

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/...H0x1l4Wfdw

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/...H0x1l4Wfdw

Search this and other Otis Brown posts on the Internet; he has been using the plus lens method for years; he developed cataract 2 times, astigmatism, myopia increased, presbyopia due to addiction to the plus.
He has a eyeglass myopia prescription implanted in his eyes and lasik surgery on the cornea.

There are other people on some of the forums not owned by Otis and gang that are allowed to post the truth about how it has impaired their vision and parents stating how it impaired their children's vision.
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#17
Bifocal Wrote:found this study to verify the anticorrective lense method.

It fails to amaze me what proponents of the plus lens method try to extrapolate from such small scale studies. Such a study fails to verify anything to do with reversing myopia - as is the claim (pls. correct me if I am wrong about that).

That it is a short-term study is an extraordinary understatement. It only looks at 30 and 60 minute effects, on a couple dozen YOUNG people. It doesn't measure if the effect wears off shortly after (which has been said by many who have tried plus lenses). It doesn't measure if the effect becomes ineffective after a certain period of time. It doesn't study any of the long term effects. It admits that more studies are needed, states a lot of 'ifs' and 'may be possibles.' It doesn't measure acuity. It doesn't include older adults. This isn't verification of myopia reversal on any order.

Long term, randomized clinical trial studies using bifocals/prismatic bifocal/plus, (2 yrs, a wee bit longer than 30 minutes!) HAVE been conducted and have only been able to detect a SMALL, SLOWING of myopic progression, and absolutely nothing to do with a reversing of myopia. And the effect seems to wane after the first year. Much bigger sample groups too. Based on these studies one could claim that you might be able to slow the myopic progression of a young person. That's it. And they might be better off using a topical treatment - anti-muscarinic medications at that, since it showed slightly better effectiveness.

How one jumps from these studies, to saying that plus lenses can reverse myopia is quite puzzling. "Slowing" in very tiny amounts, to "reversing" are quite different notions. I believe this is where much of the misleading information starts to foment. I would be quite interested if a study could be shown, a randomized, clinical trial, long - term using larger samples, that shows actual REVERSAL of myopia. Bring on the science, please, if this is the kind of science from which one is going to base extraordinary claims.

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A summary of 23 studies investigating the different interventions to slow myopic progression:

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The notorious COMET study:

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Other studies showing similar results, or worse as time goes on:

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the list could go on, an on, and on....
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#18
Thank you Arocarty, MUCHO!

Plus Lens people have stressed me out so much, constant attacks on this website. I almost decided to stop visiting here, too much typing (with this old neck injury) trying to protect people from these Plus Lens guys. But if I do that, they win and people, children will be harmed.

I still swear they are secretly in league with some eye doctors, surgeons that like people to become addicted to eyeglasses and then surgery.

Thanks for the links. I will pdf them and place online.

If these doctors would teach the Bates Method, the years of study with glasses could be prevented and complete reversal of myopia would occur naturally.

The plus lens forces the recti eye muscles to become tense, strained. This pulls on the eye abnormally shortening it and only while wearing the Plus lens. All the eye muscles become tense. The temporary improved vision is the effect of the eye being forced to pull into a less lengthened shape as opposed to the lengthened shape of most myopia cases, caused by tense oblique muscles.

The tension, pulling of the recti and continued tension in all the eye muscles places a great strain on/in the eye; the lens, retina, nerves are stretched. Blood vessels, capillaries can rip apart. The cornea develops tension, waves. The lens loses movement, hydration and nutrients as eye circulation goes down and pressure is abnormal. Natural accommodation, un-accommodation is impaired. This also affects convergence, divergence, shifting, central-fixation.

Read Doug Marsh's book for more info on the variety of problems eyeglasses cause, especially strong, incorrect prescriptions; Restoring Your Eyesight; http://www.amazon.com/Restoring-Your-Eye...r+eyesight
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#19
Well both of you have listed many links ,but I wonder why you did not mention the present study being done jointly by the Federal Aviation Administration,The U.S Air Force,and several U.S. major airlines, on the use of anticorrective lenses,for pilots that are,or are becoming myopic.
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#20
Clarknight, I found the following post you made in the chat room.
I have to say that it tells me a lot about your motives.You do not like competing authors,and money seems to motivate you,more than trying to truly help people.


4:56 PM
Sorry for ranting today. I just had it with people. If its not people advising bad methods or competing authors.., then its some crazy kid and adults trying to steal - resell my e-books download page. I swear if I make enough $ in full retirement 'Senior citizen ful social security' by end 2014 I am going to place all the E-books on-line for free! This will stops all the evil crooks on every level and get the Bates method out there to all. Wish a getting to old age lady luck.
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#21
Bifocal Wrote:Well both of you have listed many links ,but I wonder why you did not mention the present study being done jointly by the Federal Aviation Administration,The U.S Air Force,

Studies that may be planned or may be in progress don't constitute scientific evidence of anything. Science cannot abide by the world of speculation. It doesn't seem to matter to some how many studies show the same results - that plus lenses can only slow myopic progression, a tiny bit.

Bifocal Wrote:I have to say that it tells me a lot about your motives.You do not like competing authors,and money seems to motivate you,more than trying to truly help people.

Hopefully the moderator of this site will not continue to tolerate such nasty personal attacks.
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#22
Tired of Bifocal's personal hatred, jealousy. This is the second time the Plus Lens guys concentrate on money, attack me by posting lies about how and why I teach the Bates Method.

I still think Bifocal is in league with Otis. There's about 3 people on here that seem to work with Otis and maybe 1-2 are Otis. One of the ips on Chat was by a new name used on here after Otis was banned; the flag location may have been from Otis's home city, location. Can't find his address on-line anymore to double check.

I been saving money to keep my website on-line for years after I die. Free Bates Method training for next generation. Yes I am tired of teachers charging high prices by the hour, hiding complete training, altering Dr. Bates method and adding practices that impair the vision and people stealing the E-books and reselling them for a higher price. It's not fair to the public, the pirates rob the people. Competing authors also lie, use dishonest tactics so they may charge people high prices.

This is one reason most natural vision teachers, authors stopped posting on the internet. They are attacked by people that want to hide the true Bates Method. It's rare for a teacher to post unless they are on here every few years advertising.
Nancy seems to be the only certified teacher that will come on here and give freely of her time. Most others; once certified; its off to making money and giving very short, partial information as they advertise.

I will place the e-books free and maybe sooner if situations even out this year. I do have to pay for the website, security... each year and internet to give fast service to customers, free Skype, phone training. Also send money to the blind. Check my receipts bifocal, Otis and gang; http://cleareyesight-batesmethod.info/id73.html Why can't you guys do this? Help them out.
Many students that have learned Natural Eyesight on the website have sent money to The Seeing Eye, Perkins School for the Blind... It's tax deductible.

I don't know why people can't work on true safe Natural Eyesight Improvement and helping people that need this. But instead many people are only interested in competition, ego's, who's on top, making a million dollars. The predator instinct gets control of people and in humans its greatly mis-used, twisted.
Grow up, get some spiritual growth! When I first got into this stuff; 1996, published a eye exercise card; http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrec...3449&SID=3 the #1 thing I thought, that got me to work on this subject was MONEY! 'I can make a lot of money doing this!' I was in the greeting card business and changed to Bates Method because I understood it, basically.

As time went on and I met the people out there that had eye-vision problems, learned of Dr. Bates life struggles with the eye surgeons, optical industry, colleges... and I had trouble with corrupt teachers, I changed. The goal became 'For the People'. Frig the money. The well-being of fellow humans is what this is all about. I believe in the spiritual statement; we are all one, connected. What you do to others, you do to yourself.

Otis is going down the wrong path; if he does not stop, or maybe is too late, his retina will be injured. Think about it and stop using and advising the Plus lens. Please stop making believe you guys use the Bates Method. You only use Dr. Bates name to pull people in. Then it is all Plus Lens, Anti-Corrective addiction to glasses and just reading the eye chart. And no true Bates method directions even for the chart. Heaven forbid people learn how to use the Bates method and see the chart clear! They might decide they don't need any eyeglasses, no Plus Lens...

Studies for the plus lens, anti-corrective are started, directed by the eye doctors, businesses that want to sell the glasses.
I have sent a plus lens pdf warning about the dangers to pilots and they are circulating it in the military.

The plus lens is not the Bates Method. It destroys the eyes health and the vision and can lead to blindness.
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#23
http://www.i-see.org/osb_qa.html

http://www.chinamyopia.org/otis%20&joy.htm
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#24
Made a decision today;

When I get to the other side, (after death) I do not want to have to explain to the nice people in heaven, including Dr. Bates, Emily that I spent years holding onto the E-books, Bates magazines waiting to earn enough money to place them on-line free. This day may never come and during this wait many people that could have obtained access to this information, complete training but had no money (many people are from low income countries or areas of the U.S.) so they cannot have access to the books, learn how to be free of eyeglasses, obtain clear eyesight, healthy eyes.

So today I have decided to place all E-books free, permanently;

http://cleareyesight-batesmethod.info/id120.html

The website earns enough money selling paperbacks and it seems that most people prefer the paper or Kindle.

I have thought of doing this for a long time. The pirates, some cured students, including some cured blind students and other e-book sales people from ClickBank... have been stealing and reselling the download page, 17 E-books for a much higher price than I was selling for; $40.00 and into hundreds of dollars for the exact same package. A chiropractor in California was doing this and making videos of the book but teaching the method 30% wrong. I hear he is still doing it.

People need a honest deal, so for Dr. Bates and the public, 'his patients', the books are free.

Thanks to Bifocal and the Otis gang for the insults, false statements. It made up my mind.
Now all people can fully compare the true natural Bates Method and the unnatural Plus lens method and learn to avoid the harm of the Plus Lens, Anti-Corrective Method.
Stay with the Bates Method. Dr. Bates original true practice.

People also now have a choice of buying another Italy, Russian, UK sellers $400.00 Better Eyesight Magazines or our exact Magazines with extra practices, pictures, eyecharts added;
Price; free view on your computer or buy ink, paper and print your own books, magazines.
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#25
So far only; Sci.med, Vision-Therapy and this Forum accepted this post for the free E-books.

Every other Bates Method, Natural Eyesight Yahoo, Google... Group, Forum owner/Moderator blocked it. Why would people claiming to be Bates Method teachers block access to all of Dr. Bates work? Humm.
clarknight Wrote:Made a decision today;

When I get to the other side, (after death) I do not want to have to explain to the nice people in heaven, including Dr. Bates, Emily that I spent years holding onto the E-books, Bates magazines waiting to earn enough money to place them on-line free. This day may never come and during this wait many people that could have obtained access to this information, complete training but had no money (many people are from low income countries or areas of the U.S.) so they cannot have access to the books, learn how to be free of eyeglasses, obtain clear eyesight, healthy eyes.

So today I have decided to place all E-books free, permanently;

http://cleareyesight-batesmethod.info/id120.html

The website earns enough money selling paperbacks and it seems that most people prefer the paper or Kindle.

I have thought of doing this for a long time. The pirates, some cured students, including some cured blind students and other e-book sales people from ClickBank... have been stealing and reselling the download page, 17 E-books for a much higher price than I was selling for; $40.00 and into hundreds of dollars for the exact same package. A chiropractor in California was doing this and making videos of the book but teaching the method 30% wrong. I hear he is still doing it.

People need a honest deal, so for Dr. Bates and the public, 'his patients', the books are free.

Thanks to Bifocal and the Otis gang for the insults, false statements. It made up my mind.
Now all people can fully compare the true natural Bates Method and the unnatural Plus lens method and learn to avoid the harm of the Plus Lens, Anti-Corrective Method.
Stay with the Bates Method. Dr. Bates original true practice.

People also now have a choice of buying another Italy, Russian, UK sellers $400.00 Better Eyesight Magazines or our exact Magazines with extra practices, pictures, eyecharts added;
Price; free view on your computer or buy ink, paper and print your own books, magazines.
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#26
(09-28-2013, 08:56 PM)Bifocal Wrote: A close friends daughter age 19,always had excellent vision throughout grade school,and high school.
She is studying for an engineering degree,and also taking flying lessons,and would like to be an airline pilot.
During her second year of college,she noticed some distance blur,and when she went to renew her pilot medical certificate,she failed the vision exam. She was told by the FAA doctor to see an optometrist.At the optometrist it was determined that she had 20/50 vision in each eye,and was prescribed a minus 1.00 for each eye.She began wearing the glasses for flying,driving,and college classroom,but soon found them more comfortable to wear full time. After only three months with the glasses she felt that she again was not seeing properly,and went back to the optometrist,and learned that her vision was now 20/100,and given minus 1.50 lenses for each eye. By the end of the school year last spring she had gone back again to the optometrist,and then found to be 20/200,and given minus 2.50 glasses.Both her FAA doctor,and her optometrist were concerned at how rapidly her vision had declined,and she was totally dependent on glasses now.
During her summer break,her father,and I discussed the anticorrective lense method for her. She was very excited about trying it.
She started off by wearing her distance glasses for everything except reading,and computer.For those two activities,she began wearing plus .50 glasses,which she could only tolerate for about a half an hour at first. She built up her close vision work with these glasses until she could read for two hours with them,and then increased the plus glasses to 1.00. These also were hard to use for more than a half hour,but as she became used to using them she found her distance glasses a bit too strong,so she went to her minus 1.50 glasses for most activities.Again when she could read comfortably for two or more hours with the plus 1.00 glasses,she went to plus 1.50. Shortly after being able to read for about an hour or more with these glasses,she quit using distance glasses all together. She is back at college now,and has surprised her FAA doctor with 20/20 vision in each eye.
She still uses plus 1.00 glasses for extensive close work,but has 20/20 close up vision,and can read fine without the glasses.She just feels that using them for extensive close work keeps her eyes tuned up for excellent distance vision.
Her optometrist examined her prior to her going back to school,and was simply amazed that she had 20/20 vision. He told her that he had felt that she had developed late onset myopia,and that she would have ended up with a minus 6.,or 7.00 prescription.. He had never heard of the anticorrective lense method,and was quite impressed.
She of course is overjoyed that she does not have to worry about myopia possibly ruining her career as a pilot.

A little over six months ago,I had posted the above post.
I have an update on this young lady's progress.
She still has 20/20 distance,and near vision without glasses.
She has been accepted by the United States Military,into a pilot training program.
Upon her application for this program,her vision history was disclosed. She was subjected to a more comprehensive vision exam than the others entering the program. This was a two full day exam conducted at a university ophthalmologist school,with a military ophthalmologist present.At the conclusion of this testing,the military made her an offer to be in a pilot vision improvement program using methods much like what she used ti improve her myopia. She will be working to help develop the program,and going through flight training concurrently.They are very interested in why,and how to stop myopia from developing in new pilots,as it is a major problem that causes pilots to wash out of flight school due to the heavy study work load.
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#27
This young lady also said that in her conversation with the military,and university Ophthalmologists,there was some discussion about the Bates Method,and that the overall opinion of these Ophthalmologists was that it had no value as far as pilot vision was concerned,and that a method much like the Anticorrective Method will be used.
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#28
I don't wholly agree with this "anticorrective or plus lenses" stuff. They should be used to PREVENT nearsightedness in the first place. To gain improvements one needs to do active focus at the "edge of blur" (with or without a plus). Merely wearing a plus has little or no effect. A +2D does not "correct" -2D myopia so people get the wrong idea of a plus lens.
the plus lens is based on the assumption the close work is the main (and probably only) factor in myopia. Which logically seems true. Another thing that plus lenses are helpful is that they totally cancel nearpoint stress, so person can do reading with no stress on his eyes. that's the main benefit
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#29
(03-12-2014, 01:23 AM)Bifocal Wrote: This young lady also said that in her conversation with the military,and university Ophthalmologists,there was some discussion about the Bates Method,and that the overall opinion of these Ophthalmologists was that it had no value as far as pilot vision was concerned,and that a method much like the Anticorrective Method will be used.

A follow-up study was done confirming the results of a previous one, where using undercorrection made student's vision worse. http://www.researchgate.net/publication/...n_children

Hopefully they are up front with the would-be pilots about the possible risks of worsening vision via such controversial methods.
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#30
hi arocrarty.

According to your what you said and the totally ridiculous results of those biased studies, then i guess everyone should wear a full powered minus all the time.

If a child is -3D myopic, we can all agree it is totally foolish to wear a -3D lens ALL the time. Also according to that logic, how can anyone's vision IMPROVE without an undercorrection.

If guessing your vision isn't perfect, so techniquely you have an "undercorrection". Are you willing to put a strong minus lens on your eyes. I think the answer is no.
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