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Anticorrective lense sucess story
#46
(03-19-2014, 12:31 AM)Bifocal Wrote:
(03-16-2014, 03:39 AM)arocarty Wrote:
(03-16-2014, 01:34 AM)Bifocal Wrote:
(03-12-2014, 06:26 AM)Aethersky Wrote:

Some of the eye exam tests that they put her through at the university ophthalmologist center required her to read small print ,in low light,at eight inches for two hours with no break,and then immediately transition to read a 20/20 eye chart in low light.

Reading small print close to the eyes, in dim light - that sounds like doing Bates! You have to relax in order to read it properly, and if you strain, Bates demonstrated that it can cause a hyperopic shift - either way, sounds like a win-win for someone with myopic tendencies.

Is this all suppose to represent some kind of scientific study? Not by any stretch of the imagination does it represent any kind of radomized clinical trial, where there are very strict protocols and guidelines to follow. Any results would be meaningless to the scientific community, bias could not be ruled out, there's no control group vs. treatment group, etc. etc. As a study it would be a sham. But great for for the anecdotal journals.

That part of her test was apparently because she had previously been myopic,and had corrected it with anticorrective lenses.
All of the pilot training candidates were not given that test.
There was one young male that was subjected to some special testing that none of the others had too do.
If any of this group of fifty,and another group of fifty begin to show the slightest sign of myopia during flight training,the plan is that they will be fitted with the appropriate anticorrective lenses immediately.

Got it. As I said, not a scientific study by any stretch of the imagination. Completely biased selection. It was demonstrated decades ago that plus lens usage vs. a control group (an actual study) over a 4-year period in a military academy, showed NO difference in myopic progression between them. All progressed. Removing accommodation load did not help.

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/...ts_Part_II

Several subsequent plus studies on high school students in the last decade verify, and actually show worse progression overall, a couple showing evidence that plus can actually accelerate myopic progression. The students have a right to know this, before subjected to such treatment, and the military has a responsibility and duty to inform them.
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#47
(03-19-2014, 03:35 AM)arocarty Wrote:
(03-19-2014, 12:31 AM)Bifocal Wrote:
(03-16-2014, 03:39 AM)arocarty Wrote:
(03-16-2014, 01:34 AM)Bifocal Wrote:
(03-12-2014, 06:26 AM)Aethersky Wrote:

Some of the eye exam tests that they put her through at the university ophthalmologist center required her to read small print ,in low light,at eight inches for two hours with no break,and then immediately transition to read a 20/20 eye chart in low light.

Reading small print close to the eyes, in dim light - that sounds like doing Bates! You have to relax in order to read it properly, and if you strain, Bates demonstrated that it can cause a hyperopic shift - either way, sounds like a win-win for someone with myopic tendencies.

Is this all suppose to represent some kind of scientific study? Not by any stretch of the imagination does it represent any kind of radomized clinical trial, where there are very strict protocols and guidelines to follow. Any results would be meaningless to the scientific community, bias could not be ruled out, there's no control group vs. treatment group, etc. etc. As a study it would be a sham. But great for for the anecdotal journals.

That part of her test was apparently because she had previously been myopic,and had corrected it with anticorrective lenses.
All of the pilot training candidates were not given that test.
There was one young male that was subjected to some special testing that none of the others had too do.
If any of this group of fifty,and another group of fifty begin to show the slightest sign of myopia during flight training,the plan is that they will be fitted with the appropriate anticorrective lenses immediately.

Got it. As I said, not a scientific study by any stretch of the imagination. Completely biased selection. It was demonstrated decades ago that plus lens usage vs. a control group (an actual study) over a 4-year period in a military academy, showed NO difference in myopic progression between them. All progressed. Removing accommodation load did not help.

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/...ts_Part_II

Several subsequent plus studies on high school students in the last decade verify, and actually show worse progression overall, a couple showing evidence that plus can actually accelerate myopic progression. The students have a right to know this, before subjected to such treatment, and the military has a responsibility and duty to inform them.

Thanks arocarty for doing the research.

I am saving your post and link to that website/study. Place it on my website and in new video I am creating telling the truth about the plus lens, the eye-vision impairment it can and has caused including all versions of this anti-corrective method.

My neighbor just started developing cataract. He said it was after 2 months using reading glasses. He's going to stop the glasses and use the Bates method. He is in his 60's long time smoker, on oxygen. Reversed glaucoma. NO problems with blurry vision until started using reading (plus) glasses.

Now I know the plus people will blame it all on his age, health, glaucoma, but I repeat; NO cataract until he started the plus.

Even Otis has toned down his claims somewhat on his YouTube channel and is now saying it can take a very long time for results... So he's advising people to wear the plus for years. Still trying to advise to children, pilots.

Here's a old PDF from Medical Articles by Dr. Bates. Notice the person used the plus for years and still needed glasses. No improvement.


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#48
vision improvement is slow. you claimed you have "cured" people from -6D in less than a year?
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#49
Otis is saying it takes a very long time for people USING THE PLUS LENS to see results. Truth; there are no results, the myopia is not reversed, the presbyopia is not reversed and the pilots, all people using the plus also develop addiction to the plus, blurry close reading vision. The eye muscles become so tight that the eye is squeezed more out of shape causing new types of myopia that occur along with presbyopia from addiction to the stronger and stronger plus. Otis still makes false statements in his channel 'about' and other pages.

I (Dr. Bates method) have cured people at -8... with the true Bates Method, without using eyeglasses, surgery.

Stop lying and twisting my words.

You say your a student and no time to be here posting but you are watching every post all day, night, attacking, twisting the truth every time someone writes a thread or post teaching the Bates Method.
A certain well known Plus Lens seller is retired in Ohio? Iowa? Has plenty of time on his hands.
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#50
hi clarknight.

ypu keep making totally unreasonable. personal attacks are me and many other people
tell the truth. you are giving people false hope. you exploit desperate people trying by claiming you "cured" people with -8D. you never cured anyone with that high myopia and there is no proof of it. you made it up to sell your products and "natural vision".

People should not be getting incorrect and harmful advice from ClarkNight.
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#51
(03-19-2014, 03:35 AM)arocarty Wrote:
(03-19-2014, 12:31 AM)Bifocal Wrote:
(03-16-2014, 03:39 AM)arocarty Wrote:
(03-16-2014, 01:34 AM)Bifocal Wrote:
(03-12-2014, 06:26 AM)Aethersky Wrote:

Some of the eye exam tests that they put her through at the university ophthalmologist center required her to read small print ,in low light,at eight inches for two hours with no break,and then immediately transition to read a 20/20 eye chart in low light.

Reading small print close to the eyes, in dim light - that sounds like doing Bates! You have to relax in order to read it properly, and if you strain, Bates demonstrated that it can cause a hyperopic shift - either way, sounds like a win-win for someone with myopic tendencies.

Is this all suppose to represent some kind of scientific study? Not by any stretch of the imagination does it represent any kind of radomized clinical trial, where there are very strict protocols and guidelines to follow. Any results would be meaningless to the scientific community, bias could not be ruled out, there's no control group vs. treatment group, etc. etc. As a study it would be a sham. But great for for the anecdotal journals.

That part of her test was apparently because she had previously been myopic,and had corrected it with anticorrective lenses.
All of the pilot training candidates were not given that test.
There was one young male that was subjected to some special testing that none of the others had too do.
If any of this group of fifty,and another group of fifty begin to show the slightest sign of myopia during flight training,the plan is that they will be fitted with the appropriate anticorrective lenses immediately.

Got it. As I said, not a scientific study by any stretch of the imagination. Completely biased selection. It was demonstrated decades ago that plus lens usage vs. a control group (an actual study) over a 4-year period in a military academy, showed NO difference in myopic progression between them. All progressed. Removing accommodation load did not help.

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/...ts_Part_II

Several subsequent plus studies on high school students in the last decade verify, and actually show worse progression overall, a couple showing evidence that plus can actually accelerate myopic progression. The students have a right to know this, before subjected to such treatment, and the military has a responsibility and duty to inform them.

i spoke with her today,and she said in no way is a study. The military has proven that it works,and will now be a part of pilot training.
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#52
(03-19-2014, 10:25 PM)Bifocal Wrote:
(03-19-2014, 03:35 AM)arocarty Wrote:
(03-19-2014, 12:31 AM)Bifocal Wrote:
(03-16-2014, 03:39 AM)arocarty Wrote:
(03-16-2014, 01:34 AM)Bifocal Wrote: Some of the eye exam tests that they put her through at the university ophthalmologist center required her to read small print ,in low light,at eight inches for two hours with no break,and then immediately transition to read a 20/20 eye chart in low light.

Reading small print close to the eyes, in dim light - that sounds like doing Bates! You have to relax in order to read it properly, and if you strain, Bates demonstrated that it can cause a hyperopic shift - either way, sounds like a win-win for someone with myopic tendencies.

Is this all suppose to represent some kind of scientific study? Not by any stretch of the imagination does it represent any kind of radomized clinical trial, where there are very strict protocols and guidelines to follow. Any results would be meaningless to the scientific community, bias could not be ruled out, there's no control group vs. treatment group, etc. etc. As a study it would be a sham. But great for for the anecdotal journals.

That part of her test was apparently because she had previously been myopic,and had corrected it with anticorrective lenses.
All of the pilot training candidates were not given that test.
There was one young male that was subjected to some special testing that none of the others had too do.
If any of this group of fifty,and another group of fifty begin to show the slightest sign of myopia during flight training,the plan is that they will be fitted with the appropriate anticorrective lenses immediately.

Got it. As I said, not a scientific study by any stretch of the imagination. Completely biased selection. It was demonstrated decades ago that plus lens usage vs. a control group (an actual study) over a 4-year period in a military academy, showed NO difference in myopic progression between them. All progressed. Removing accommodation load did not help.

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/...ts_Part_II

Several subsequent plus studies on high school students in the last decade verify, and actually show worse progression overall, a couple showing evidence that plus can actually accelerate myopic progression. The students have a right to know this, before subjected to such treatment, and the military has a responsibility and duty to inform them.

i spoke with her today,and she said in no way is a study. The military has proven that it works,and will now be a part of pilot training.

Please do share such purported proof and evidence by the military. We can share with the rest of the world of optometry - they will be dancing in the streets naked that a cure for preventing myopia has been finally found!
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#53
(03-19-2014, 10:25 PM)Bifocal Wrote:
(03-19-2014, 03:35 AM)arocarty Wrote:
(03-19-2014, 12:31 AM)Bifocal Wrote:
(03-16-2014, 03:39 AM)arocarty Wrote:
(03-16-2014, 01:34 AM)Bifocal Wrote: Some of the eye exam tests that they put her through at the university ophthalmologist center required her to read small print ,in low light,at eight inches for two hours with no break,and then immediately transition to read a 20/20 eye chart in low light.

Reading small print close to the eyes, in dim light - that sounds like doing Bates! You have to relax in order to read it properly, and if you strain, Bates demonstrated that it can cause a hyperopic shift - either way, sounds like a win-win for someone with myopic tendencies.

Is this all suppose to represent some kind of scientific study? Not by any stretch of the imagination does it represent any kind of radomized clinical trial, where there are very strict protocols and guidelines to follow. Any results would be meaningless to the scientific community, bias could not be ruled out, there's no control group vs. treatment group, etc. etc. As a study it would be a sham. But great for for the anecdotal journals.

That part of her test was apparently because she had previously been myopic,and had corrected it with anticorrective lenses.
All of the pilot training candidates were not given that test.
There was one young male that was subjected to some special testing that none of the others had too do.
If any of this group of fifty,and another group of fifty begin to show the slightest sign of myopia during flight training,the plan is that they will be fitted with the appropriate anticorrective lenses immediately.

Got it. As I said, not a scientific study by any stretch of the imagination. Completely biased selection. It was demonstrated decades ago that plus lens usage vs. a control group (an actual study) over a 4-year period in a military academy, showed NO difference in myopic progression between them. All progressed. Removing accommodation load did not help.

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/...ts_Part_II

Several subsequent plus studies on high school students in the last decade verify, and actually show worse progression overall, a couple showing evidence that plus can actually accelerate myopic progression. The students have a right to know this, before subjected to such treatment, and the military has a responsibility and duty to inform them.

i spoke with her today,and she said in no way is a study. The military has proven that it works,and will now be a part of pilot training.


Sorry what works exactly?
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#54
(03-20-2014, 05:05 AM)centertime Wrote:
(03-19-2014, 10:25 PM)Bifocal Wrote:
(03-19-2014, 03:35 AM)arocarty Wrote:
(03-19-2014, 12:31 AM)Bifocal Wrote:
(03-16-2014, 03:39 AM)arocarty Wrote: Reading small print close to the eyes, in dim light - that sounds like doing Bates! You have to relax in order to read it properly, and if you strain, Bates demonstrated that it can cause a hyperopic shift - either way, sounds like a win-win for someone with myopic tendencies.

Is this all suppose to represent some kind of scientific study? Not by any stretch of the imagination does it represent any kind of radomized clinical trial, where there are very strict protocols and guidelines to follow. Any results would be meaningless to the scientific community, bias could not be ruled out, there's no control group vs. treatment group, etc. etc. As a study it would be a sham. But great for for the anecdotal journals.

That part of her test was apparently because she had previously been myopic,and had corrected it with anticorrective lenses.
All of the pilot training candidates were not given that test.
There was one young male that was subjected to some special testing that none of the others had too do.
If any of this group of fifty,and another group of fifty begin to show the slightest sign of myopia during flight training,the plan is that they will be fitted with the appropriate anticorrective lenses immediately.

Got it. As I said, not a scientific study by any stretch of the imagination. Completely biased selection. It was demonstrated decades ago that plus lens usage vs. a control group (an actual study) over a 4-year period in a military academy, showed NO difference in myopic progression between them. All progressed. Removing accommodation load did not help.

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/...ts_Part_II

Several subsequent plus studies on high school students in the last decade verify, and actually show worse progression overall, a couple showing evidence that plus can actually accelerate myopic progression. The students have a right to know this, before subjected to such treatment, and the military has a responsibility and duty to inform them.

i spoke with her today,and she said in no way is a study. The military has proven that it works,and will now be a part of pilot training.


Sorry what works exactly?

The Anticorrective Lense method.
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#55
(03-20-2014, 03:01 PM)Bifocal Wrote:
(03-20-2014, 05:05 AM)centertime Wrote:
(03-19-2014, 10:25 PM)Bifocal Wrote:
(03-19-2014, 03:35 AM)arocarty Wrote:
(03-19-2014, 12:31 AM)Bifocal Wrote: That part of her test was apparently because she had previously been myopic,and had corrected it with anticorrective lenses.
All of the pilot training candidates were not given that test.
There was one young male that was subjected to some special testing that none of the others had too do.
If any of this group of fifty,and another group of fifty begin to show the slightest sign of myopia during flight training,the plan is that they will be fitted with the appropriate anticorrective lenses immediately.

Got it. As I said, not a scientific study by any stretch of the imagination. Completely biased selection. It was demonstrated decades ago that plus lens usage vs. a control group (an actual study) over a 4-year period in a military academy, showed NO difference in myopic progression between them. All progressed. Removing accommodation load did not help.

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/...ts_Part_II

Several subsequent plus studies on high school students in the last decade verify, and actually show worse progression overall, a couple showing evidence that plus can actually accelerate myopic progression. The students have a right to know this, before subjected to such treatment, and the military has a responsibility and duty to inform them.

i spoke with her today,and she said in no way is a study. The military has proven that it works,and will now be a part of pilot training.


Sorry what works exactly?

The Anticorrective Lense method.

Here are the results of a study showing that the Anticorrective Method work,with no harm. http://www.iovs.org/content/51/12/6262.full.pdf+html
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#56
My friend's daughter was home on leave from her military flight training,during the Easter weekend,and gave me an update on her vision,and that of her fellow classmates.
They have been testing her vision with an autorefractor weekly,and only one time did her vision drop below 20/20. At that point they checked it daily,and it came in at 20/20,so she went back to the one time a week.
Two of her classmates have already,( within a month ) dropped to 20/50,and have been fitted with anticorrective lenses,and are being checked on the autorefractor daily. One of them seems to be improving,and the other is becoming more myopic.The more myopc guy told the others that during college that he thought he was becoming myopic,but was able to recover during the summer breaks,but this training is so much more demanding on his eyes that he wonders if the anticorrective lenses will help him. The other guy states that his vision is definitely helped by the anticorrective lenses.
She reported that the reading,and study has been so intense that all of the students wonder who will wash out even though they are only one month into the program.
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#57
(04-29-2014, 04:53 PM)Bifocal Wrote: My friend's daughter was home on leave from her military flight training,during the Easter weekend,and gave me an update on her vision,and that of her fellow classmates.
They have been testing her vision with an autorefractor weekly,and only one time did her vision drop below 20/20. At that point they checked it daily,and it came in at 20/20,so she went back to the one time a week.
Two of her classmates have already,( within a month ) dropped to 20/50,and have been fitted with anticorrective lenses,and are being checked on the autorefractor daily. One of them seems to be improving,and the other is becoming more myopic.The more myopc guy told the others that during college that he thought he was becoming myopic,but was able to recover during the summer breaks,but this training is so much more demanding on his eyes that he wonders if the anticorrective lenses will help him. The other guy states that his vision is definitely helped by the anticorrective lenses.
She reported that the reading,and study has been so intense that all of the students wonder who will wash out even though they are only one month into the program.

Use of plus lenses could ACCELERATE their progression of myopia; but no way they'll ever be let on to that fact, it would just be all blamed on the program. Law suites could ensue, if they were aware of that fact. Someone would actually have to be accountable. The military is quite good at, and experienced at, covering up and protecting themselves as has been seen countless times. Cheating on certification exams, sexual abuse, contract fraud, gambling scandals, recruiting referral kickbacks, you name it, they've done it and tried to hide it for countless years. The lack of accountability in the military is mind numbing.
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#58
Two of many complaints people experience from the plus lens method is;

Eye floaters and development of presbyopia.
http://www.amazon.it/product-reviews/887...Descending

Translation;
Mr. Gallo-see all my reviews


Amazon verified purchase (what's this?)

This review is on: how I healed myself from myopia. Without glasses, contact lenses and surgery (soft cover)

A little repetitive, interesting explanation of the theory, biology of the eye and worsening dynamics of sight for bad habits. After hundreds of pages, of course then the wait is reduced to a single page with a single table for the exercises.

I expected a more in-depth description of the route to improvement of symptoms to watch for benefits with passion and hope, a guide to corrective lens power in use, etc.

Certainly the book helped me to become aware of how much I pointlessly also glasses to read the mail on your mobile phone and how when I read without for about half an hour and then I put the glasses feel some discomfort as if they were too strong. So it's true that doing exercise is known as the eye is lazy by corrective lenses.

For now, the effect is an increased annoyance during the reading of newspapers with glasses. May be a symptom of improvement or an advance of presbyopia?????

http://www.amazon.com/The-Secret-Perfect...Descending

The plus forums block posts by people that report the damage it has done to their eyes health and vision. They pay for book reviewers, 'their gang' to state the plus is safe but they can't stop the public from posting the truth, that is not safe; search Amazon book reviews in various countries, including Italy.

As use of the plus is continued, cataract and impaired retina health occur.
Presbyopia, tension in the recti and oblique eye muscles caused by any type of eyeglass prescription also cause myopia and astigmatism.

The plus glasses and minus freeze up the lens and its ciliary muscle; no movement; no circulation, no nourishment, no hydration=cataract and blur at all distances.

The ciliary works with the iris muscles. All eye muscles can effect eachohther, their function and the clarity of vision.
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#59
(04-30-2014, 02:48 AM)arocarty Wrote:
(04-29-2014, 04:53 PM)Bifocal Wrote: My friend's daughter was home on leave from her military flight training,during the Easter weekend,and gave me an update on her vision,and that of her fellow classmates.
They have been testing her vision with an autorefractor weekly,and only one time did her vision drop below 20/20. At that point they checked it daily,and it came in at 20/20,so she went back to the one time a week.
Two of her classmates have already,( within a month ) dropped to 20/50,and have been fitted with anticorrective lenses,and are being checked on the autorefractor daily. One of them seems to be improving,and the other is becoming more myopic.The more myopc guy told the others that during college that he thought he was becoming myopic,but was able to recover during the summer breaks,but this training is so much more demanding on his eyes that he wonders if the anticorrective lenses will help him. The other guy states that his vision is definitely helped by the anticorrective lenses.
She reported that the reading,and study has been so intense that all of the students wonder who will wash out even though they are only one month into the program.

Use of plus lenses could ACCELERATE their progression of myopia; but no way they'll ever be let on to that fact, it would just be all blamed on the program. Law suites could ensue, if they were aware of that fact. Someone would actually have to be accountable. The military is quite good at, and experienced at, covering up and protecting themselves as has been seen countless times. Cheating on certification exams, sexual abuse, contract fraud, gambling scandals, recruiting referral kickbacks, you name it, they've done it and tried to hide it for countless years. The lack of accountability in the military is mind numbing.

And so with all of the things you are saying about the military,have you ever served? If you are believing all of this from newspapers,magazines,and TV news,you are certainly ill informed. Because the military is is a huge complex organization,like any other large organization it is made up of people. People make mistakes,and do commit crimes,but overall for its size the military is run very well. That being said, with the amount of time,and money spent in training a young pilot,they want a good return on their investment.They pay them,and treat them well to encourage them to remain in the military,and they do not want them to become in any way physically unable to fly. So no,you are wrong that they would risk ruining their eyesight. These young pilots will be flying the most modern state of the art aircraft,at speeds up to several times the speed of sound. Less than perfect vision is not acceptable,and perfect vision is mandatory. No room there for a clear flash here or there,or vision that fluctuates. It MUST be 20/20 or better at all times,even when the pilot is fatigued.This is why they do not use the Bates method at all.

(04-30-2014, 08:21 AM)clarknight Wrote: Two of many complaints people experience from the plus lens method is;

Eye floaters and development of presbyopia.
http://www.amazon.it/product-reviews/887...Descending

Translation;
Mr. Gallo-see all my reviews


Amazon verified purchase (what's this?)

This review is on: how I healed myself from myopia. Without glasses, contact lenses and surgery (soft cover)

A little repetitive, interesting explanation of the theory, biology of the eye and worsening dynamics of sight for bad habits. After hundreds of pages, of course then the wait is reduced to a single page with a single table for the exercises.

I expected a more in-depth description of the route to improvement of symptoms to watch for benefits with passion and hope, a guide to corrective lens power in use, etc.

Certainly the book helped me to become aware of how much I pointlessly also glasses to read the mail on your mobile phone and how when I read without for about half an hour and then I put the glasses feel some discomfort as if they were too strong. So it's true that doing exercise is known as the eye is lazy by corrective lenses.

For now, the effect is an increased annoyance during the reading of newspapers with glasses. May be a symptom of improvement or an advance of presbyopia?????

http://www.amazon.com/The-Secret-Perfect...Descending

The plus forums block posts by people that report the damage it has done to their eyes health and vision. They pay for book reviewers, 'their gang' to state the plus is safe but they can't stop the public from posting the truth, that is not safe; search Amazon book reviews in various countries, including Italy.

As use of the plus is continued, cataract and impaired retina health occur.
Presbyopia, tension in the recti and oblique eye muscles caused by any type of eyeglass prescription also cause myopia and astigmatism.

The plus glasses and minus freeze up the lens and its ciliary muscle; no movement; no circulation, no nourishment, no hydration=cataract and blur at all distances.

The ciliary works with the iris muscles. All eye muscles can effect eachohther, their function and the clarity of vision.

Your post is filled with the same old rhetoric,and the Amazon posts pretty much sound like the people here that have found no help with the Bates Method,and then the bulk of the Amazon post was you saying the same old undocumented things. You have to date, not provided anything concrete,but only your ideas about Anticorrective lenses. Since the US military is using the Anticorrective method,you are going to have to provide some really hard documented information to convince others here what you say is true,or you will be looking quite foolish.
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