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Wikipedia and the Bates Method

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Wikipedia and the Bates Method
#1
Folks have rightly complained here in the past that Wikipedia, which many people use as the ultimate source of knowledge in this internet age, calls the Bates Method quackery. This can discourage newbies from even pursuing this path. This same approach has been taken with other energy-based healing modalities like EFT.

Here's a petition to help get the wheels turning in the forward direction, we hope getting Wikipedia to stop blindly (!) censoring and removing posts about energy healing techniques. You may want to add your name to this worthy effort -- I did. http://www.change.org/petitions/jimmy-wales-founder-of-wikipedia-create-and-enforce-new-policies-that-allow-for-true-scientific-discourse-about-holistic-approaches-to-healing?share_id=BzeIzOmmGH
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#2
Isn't Wikipedia censoring/ giving warning about unproven treatments/techniques a good thing? Especially things that have 'energy' in their name or title...
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#3
In order to gain credibility, we have to keep the discussion to things that people can observe empirically. I don't know anything about energy--if people find that thinking about energy helps them, that's great, but it's not going to help natural vision improvement become more accepted. In order to convince people, we have to stick to statements that can be falsifiable (to use Wittgenstein's definition of the "scientific method"), such as "people have directly observed when X ... Y." It's not clear to me whether Bates' method can ever be studied using modern empirical science, given the difficulty of constructing an adequate control. And if so, I doubt the progress will be made within the field of medicine except maybe within psychology. There's also a lot that's screwy about the way medical research is done (including many practitioners' seeming lack of understanding of basic statistics and the conflation of causation and correlation in many medical studies). I think that keeping the debate within the realm of things that are directly observable would be a good start, however.

(01-23-2014, 02:26 PM)wtfgod Wrote: Isn't Wikipedia censoring/ giving warning about unproven treatments/techniques a good thing? Especially things that have 'energy' in their name or title...
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#4
In terms of changing people's minds, it's best to rope people in with incremental prods over a long period of time. People have to be given barely enough so that they can convince themselves instead of getting beaten over the head with it and just becoming defensive about their beliefs.
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#5
If you go here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bates_method and scroll to the bottom of the page you will find Ophthalmologist Bates' Better Eyesight Magazine in it's original antique state, entire 132 issues and his book Perfect Sight Without Glasses free on GoogleBooks.

This is made possible by David Kiesling's creation of the PDF, and he sold me a very decent priced copy of Dr. Bates Book, which I scanned.

It took about 5 tries to get Wikipedia to accept this. I finally had to contact the management and tell them what was going on; Every time I posted the free books, magazines; someone else that posts on there would redo my post 'delete it' and also reported to wiki to remove it.

After I talked to Wikipedia, Wiki created some kind of auto robot thing so if the 'strange people' try to overwrite-delete it again, tries to hide Dr. Bates work, books.., the books, magazines link will remain on Wiki.

What kind of people do this? ; Eye doctors preferring to sell surgery, glasses, drugs, competing authors selling Bates magazines, books for a high price, expensive natural vision teachers hiding Dr. Bates work so we cannot learn for free.
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