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Re: I quit. - clarknight - 10-28-2013
All 4 of those links NickGrouwen posted go to websites advising the Plus Lens method and the last link is directly to a Otis Brown Plus Lens (Anti Corrective) Forum.
What's up? You just said your not going to use, advise the plus lens.
We were talking about moving the print farther away? NOT advising the Anit-Corrective, Plus Lens method which causes cataract, retina damage, astigmatism.
This is the worst thing to advise Shocker. It will reverse his progress, impair his vision, eyes health.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Secret-Perfect-Vision-Nearsightedness/product-reviews/1556436777/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
http://www.amazon.com/How-avoid-nearsightedness-scientific-behavior/product-reviews/091788230X/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Myopiafree2/conversations/messages/2509
Re: I quit. - clarknight - 10-28-2013
Read about the true Bates Method, No eyeglasses of any kind;
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Move down the page to Cross Eyed Tommy article. Many people cured by Dr. Bates.
This article is from David Kiesling's PDF 'Dr. Bates Medical Articles'.
Also on Google; http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=950&dat=19500530&id=VrELAAAAIBAJ&sjid=d1UDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4647,1528121
Re: I quit. - NickGrouwen - 10-28-2013
Hi clarknight, I have already given up the reading glasses. I don't remember linking to Otis Brown pages. Yes the forum I linked to has Otis Brown posting there but I just ignore his robot posts. I have given shocker some links to pages talking about the plus lens therapy and print pushing. And then I say that clarknight has turned me off of reading glasses and that I don't advise using them or using them at your own risk. The pages I linked to explain the reasoning behind the plus lens therapy and why it works
It's called "plus lens therapy" but you can do the whole thing without wearing plus lenses at all! Plus lenses pushes everything further away and you can substitute that effect without lenses by simply moving away from your reading material or computer screen!
The forum is not Otis Brown's forum. He just posts there a lot but you can just simply ignore his posts.
Simply practice plus lens therapy without plus lenses. And read information about plus lens therapy while disregarding the words "plus lenses". Simply apply the substitute for plus lenses (moving away from near work).
What I advocate is doing plus lens therapy WITHOUT WEARING PLUS LENSES aka reading glasses. You don't actually need them, especially if you have high myopia.
Re: I quit. - NickGrouwen - 10-28-2013
clarknight what ho_from_vietnam did was essentially plus lens therapy without the plus lenses. That is a better treatment for axial myopia than the Bates Method (which works for ciliary myopia). Please also read my other topic "The reason the Bates Method worked better a century ago?"
Re: I quit. - shocker - 10-28-2013
Thanks for the links. I will be reading through these today.
Also to add, once you get to the stage where the monitor is too far away, you can instead drop the print size instead of pushing it back further. I believe ho_from_Vietnam did this to get from 20/40 to 20/20. It has pretty much a similar effect.
An observation I had today/yesterday is that it's much easier to get the blur-->clarity effect on a monitor with a high screen density, at least if your'e really myopic and have to start off with distances so close where you can see pixels. My retina iPhone is a lot easier to push away from and really see the transition than compared my Delll monitor. I guess it won't matter after a certain distance but just thought I should write that out.
Re: I quit. - Daniel - 10-30-2013
It may be that we don't see print-pushing promoted more because it's difficult for low and high myopes. Low myopes would normally have to push the print beyond a normal reading distance, and moderate-to-high myopes would have to keep it at a very precise point. Print-pushing would seem to be most feasible when your clear vision extends past one foot, but not two feet. Bates method books often take a one-size-fits-all approach.
Re: I quit. - Squirrel Monkey - 11-01-2013
Interesting Nick. You should change the topic title though. The problem for me is that if I move close enough to the monitor so that the print just begins to blur that I am hunched over and putting strain on my neck and back.