PLEASE NEED YOUR HELP.

[xchelseax]

Well i quickly scanned through this book <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.iblindness.org/books/bates/">http://www.iblindness.org/books/bates/</a><!-- m -->
n im wondering how to start the Bates method.?
thanks.

[otis]

Dear Friend,

For 10 years Dr. Bates advocated that a child read his Snellen. In fact, in
his 1913 study he described this as his method. If you wish to start
with the Bates method(s) then I would recommend you down-load a
Snellen, post it, and read it at 20 feet.

Thus, as you vision improves, you will see the results on
your Snellen.

Best,

Otis

[Kazekage]

Well, it's easy.

1. Discard glasses forever.
2. Read and understand the original Bates book.
3. Practice the methods of the normal eye. Test out all of Bates techniques, until you find the one which you get the most help from.
4. Continue to practice with this method until you are cured.

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Now, if you have still not grasped what you must do::

5. Read the Emily book (Stories from the Clinic).
6. Practice the methods described, find the one which is best, and do it until you are cured.

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If things have still not cleared up, proceed with the following:

7. Read the Better Eyesight Magazine.
8. Practice the methods contained therein, find the most effective technique for you, and keep with it until you are cured.
9. If you require assistance, ask someone with perfect sight to help you.

[xchelseax]

ok thanks guys
but if i dnt use glasses or contacts
how am i going to see the board.?

[Excelsior88]

The age old question. Honestly, you have to use discretion when "throwing away your glasses forever" because not everyone can do so. When Bates suggested that it was during a time when most people walked EVERYWHERE. If you do throw your glasses away, you are going to have to just deal with not seeing the board or just sit closer until you are able to make out what is there. You could also wear glasses with a reduced prescription but I'm sure most who get rid of their glasses are cured faster than those who use glasses period. So it is up to you what you want to do.

[xchelseax]

thanks dude.
well ill sit closer to the board.
and btw do you know how long it will take for my eyes to cure using the bates method.

[xchelseax]

thanks dude.
well ill sit closer to the board.
and btw do you know how long it will take for my eyes to cure using the bates method.

[Excelsior88]

You can't think about that. There is no set amount of time. Not to mention the main point of Bates is to relax and calm the mind. Calm the mind to the point where there's no strain in your eyes and are able to see perfectly and not strain to see. Now a time frame can't be set but just realize that a cure for you could be within minutes or even years depending on how bad your eyesight is. Thinking about that can actually be counterproductive for you. Just read Bates and practice the methods without strain and a cure for you will eventually be within sight.

[xchelseax]

oh ok damn its counterpductive? but i jst cant get it out of my head
becasue tmmrws skool n going back i will have to see the board again which gives me concerns and headaches.
i recently used the palming method n using a test card. but i dnt really understanding how oberserve the swing of things ( swinging )

[Kazekage]

Well, there is no "discretion" to use in discarding glasses. You either do it, smash them and never put them on again, and you practice until you are cured, or you don't do it, and you never get cured. Bates said some people got improvement while wearing glasses, but this is EXTREMELY RARE and even then the improvement will be faint as a ghost. There is no negotiation about it. DISCARD GLASSES! Ignore anyone who tells you otherwise, it's just wishful thinking and false hope. Also: NO HALF WAY MEASURES. That means no reduced lenses or crap like that!

As to how long it will take, well just read what Bates wrote:

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[...How Long Will it Take?

January 1920

This question is asked so constantly by persons who wish to be cured of imperfect sight that it seems worth while to devote a little space to its consideration. It is impossible, of course, to answer the question definitely. Cure is a question of the mind, and people's minds are different. While patients who have worn glasses are usually harder to cure than those who have not, elderly persons who have worn them for the better part of a lifetime are sometimes cured as quickly as children under twelve who have never worn them. These cases are very rare, but they do occur. Some patients can look at the letters on the test card, or in a paragraph of fine print, and imagine them at once to be perfectly black, with the result that they immediately become able to read them. Some patients are able to palm almost perfectly from the start, and nearly all can do it well' enough to improve their sight; some never become able to do it until their sight has been improved by other means.

Most patients, when they look from one side of a large letter to another, or from one side of the card to another, can imagine that the letter, or the card, is moving in a direction opposite to the movement of the eye. Others, whose condition may be no worse, take a week, or a month, or longer, to do the same thing. A patient recently treated was able to do almost everything I asked her to at the first visit. I began, as I always do, by directing her to close and rest her eyes, and, as in the case of most other patients, she was able to improve her sight materially by this method. Then she went on to do a lot of other things, some of which very few patients can do at the first visit, while no one but herself, so far as I can remember, was ever able td do all of them. She was able to stare at a letter and make her sight worse, and she was able to look from one side of it to another and imagine that it was moving in a direction opposite to the movement of the eye. If the letter was seen perfectly, the movement was short, rhythmical and easy; if it was seen imperfectly, it was longer, and irregular. She could not imagine a letter stationary, and if she tried to imagine it so, it blurred. When she looked at a line of letters that she could read, she realized at once that one letter was seen best and the adjoining ones worse; and when she looked at a line that she could not read, she noted that they were seen all alike. She demonstrated at once-which was very remarkablethat a perfect memory is quick and easy, and an imperfect memory slow, difficult and even impossible; that the first relieves fatigue and the second induces discomfort. She also demonstrated that while it was easy to imagine that a letter . remembered perfectly was swinging, she either could not imagine such a swing in the case of an imperfectly remembered letter, or else the swing was longer and irregular. It is hardly necessary to say that this patient became able at once to read the whole card, even in a dim light. It was only when she came to fine print that she failed. She could not imagine that the letters of diamond type were swinging. She could imagine the universal swing3When the patient becomes able to imagine that the letters on the test card are swinging, everything else thought of also seems to be swinging. This is the universal swing. when she looked two inches away from the letters, but she could not imagine it when she looked between the lines.

These peculiarities of the mind cannot be known in advance, and therefore it is seldom possible, in any given case, to make predictions as to the length of time that will be required for a cure. This much can be stated, however: that marked improvement is always obtained in a few weeks. and that all patients obtain some benefit at the first visit. If there are any exceptions to this rule, they are so rare that I do not remember them.

As more facts are accumulated. and better ways of presenting things learned, it becomes possible to cure people more quickly. I can cure people more quickly today than I did a year ago, and I expect to cure them next year more quickly than I do today. In the last three months, seven or eight patients have been cured in one visit, with a little additional help over the telephone.

When patients can give considerable time to the treatment they naturally get on faster than those who cannot or will not do this. When they follow instructions and do not waste time in discussion, or in carrying out theories of their own, they also get on faster. One of the advantages that children have over adults is that there lie-ads are not, so full of erroneous ideas, and that they are accustomed to doing as they are told.

The chief cause of delay seems to be that people will not believe the truth after it is demonstrated to them. You can demonstrate to anyone in a few minutes that rest improves the vision, but the idea that everything worth while must be gained by effort is so deeply ingrained in the average mind that you may not in a year be able to get it out, and so long as the patient believes that his sight can be improved by effort, be will make little progress.

In most cases it is necessary, in order to retain what has been gained, to continue the treatment for a few minutes every day. When a cure is complete it is always permanent. The patient need never think of the matter again, and may even forget how he was cured. But complete cures, which mean the attainment, not of what is ordinarily called normal sight, but of a measure of telescopic and microscopic vision, are very rare; and even in these cases the treatment may be continued with benefit,.for it is impossible to set limits to the visual powers of man, and no matter how good the sight, it is always possible to improve it...]

[otis]

Subject: How long will it take -- from self-confirmed 20/70 vision?

thanks dude.
well ill sit closer to the board.
and btw do you know how long it will take for my eyes to cure using the bates method.

As others have stated here -- no one can tell you that.

But from a review of Bates 1913 study (and some of his other publications) you can
estimate that it will take about eight months to clear your Snellen from
20/70 (about -1.5 diopters) back to normal.

But that is just an estimate.

Best,

[Excelsior88]

Well keep in mind that unfortunately some people can't just get rid of their glasses because of safety concerns. I for one have to wear glasses to drive and pretty much to just walk across the street so there is some discretion needed. Yes, you either wear them and possibly no cure or you don't and eventually you will be cured but until I'm able to go somewhere without fearing for my life or someone else's i have no choice but to wear my glasses with "discretion."

[xchelseax]

ok thanks guys.
well ive recently for the past days been palming
any other recommded methods. ? n should i buy the books from amazon. ?

[Otter]

You can use reduced prescription lenses and still improve your eyesight. Use them only when you need them, like driving or when you need to read something off the board in school. I improved mine.

[Kazekage]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Reduced prescription is the worst thing ever!
Use pinhole glasses if the transition is hard.
That way there is no form of correction, or at least a more natural one that doesn't force you to keep up the error of refraction to see through them.
Or just use full power glasses and give up altogether.
Bates system is not something for you.
Sorry to be harsh