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Orthoculogy update...

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Orthoculogy update...
#1
Hey, it's Jay.

Headsup: I received "Reversing Nearsighted" from Overkill on Wednesday, and finished reading that sucker the same day. Thankyou overkilll.

This Saturday is my eye exam:

I will get 1) a prescription reading, and 2) a K reading

Basically the insurance I have will cover 80%.

So without the insurance, the two readings will be $95

With insurance, probably about $14, etc... We have basic because I'll be leaving the country next year.

I found out i'm going to texas in july 30th, so it's sought of a race to get these contacts quick, and then continuously use them at my dad's house.

My mom called the optometrists/ophthalmologists and asked if they offer a k reading
they said yes
then she asked if you could buy these therapeutic contacts (she didn't know the full details)
and they said yes, but it will cost 1200 for the fitting. They called it CRT
Immediately I knew they were talking about Ortho K aka Corneal Refractive Therapy,

Some of you may be wondering what's the difference between Ortho K, and Ortho C, which is what I'm doing.

Well... Think of Ortho K as western, think of Ortho C as eastern.

Ortho K only treats the cornea, Let's say you have -3 diopters, the max ortho k can go up to is flatten the cornea 3 diopters

So through using ortho k, you will achieve 20/20, (maybe)

However, you must continuously wear the contacts in bed, and take them off during the day.

Ortho K is also $1200 dollars.

It requires fitting and what not.


Now Ortho C, which is what I am doing.

Ortho C treats the whole eye.

The max it can go to is -1.5 diopters flatter, so if you have around -1.5, in about a week you will have perfect vision.

So I think i'm around -3.75
So it will take me to 2.25 diopters.

However

The contacts will roughly be about $60

How do you measure the contacts that you need?

Okay....

Let's say I discover I am -3.75, and my K reading, (corneal reading), is about 40 horizontal, and 42 vertical.

I would take the average of my k reading...

40 horizontal + 42 vertical = 82 then divided by 2 = 41. This is called Mid K

I would then take my Mid K, and subtract by -1.5,

which would give me 39.5.
IN the book, the lenses must be
.15mm
9.5mm diameter
boxton xo, or eo material
and i would put in 39.5 which is 1.5 from mid k

The optometrist must be willing to sign you off with this and what not.

Back to comparision.

Ortho C flattens the cornea 1.5, so you would think that it is not as effective as ortho K right?

not quite! young grasshopper

Ortho C stimulates the muscles by
1 removing the spasm incurred by the ciliary, rectus, and oblique muscles,
2 relaxing the ciliary muscle
3 strengthening the rectus muscles
4 stretching the oblique muscles
5 reducing strain arising from an excessive effort to see and mental strain.

It enabled the lens to flatten for more distant focusing
enables the eyeball to flatten for more distant focusing,
it smooths out the curvature of the cornea.

So basically it involves the whole eye. the muscles around the eye, the mucles in the eye,
It treats the eye as a whole

It's like doing relaxation method and exercise methods at the same time.
It let's go of the eye

It shocks the eye as well.

Because the immediate improvement is so quick, and then gradual improvement comes later.

if you are -.75 to about -1.5, you will experience 20/20 quick

if you are above, it will take gradual improvement, which will maybe a month longer.

Anyway, I will be sure to conduct a blog, and I am very excited about going into Ortho C

I'm also planning on getting this to help with my eyesight and also help me when i'm in uni.

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and i'll probably use it after long term computer work and long term reading.

I hope saturday goes well and that the optometrist complies.


One other question, is this operation permanent unlike Ortho K?
yes,
but you might want to keep doing the exercises with the ortho Cs, which pretty much involve just watching tv.

I'll go into more depth once I engage.

Since I am moving to texas, I'm going to have go express shipping, which will mean that my blog should be up by tuesday,

and I will have further information

I'm going to reread the book b/c i forgot a few things and I want to get a better understanding about what i'm doing.

Here's more information
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this site also involves some exercises that, although bates is not exercises, will help stimulate the muscles etc....

jay.
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#2
Hi Jay. Nice to hear from you.. you are a quick study to have read that book so fast Big Grin
Just a couple questions.. 1. Hot-Air Therapeutic Eyes Massager - how did you find out about this? do you know
someone who has this ? .. it does sound intriguing.. 2. you mentioned that the Ortho C contacts will cost you $ 60... fromwho are you getting them from ? ..you mentioned only, that the receptionist at your eyedoctor thought your
mom was meaning Ortho K..

Anyways, I will be looking forward to reading your journey through Ortho C.. It will be exciting to see how much
your vision will improve and also the timeframe.. Just my advise, but I hope that you do contact John for extra understanding and support before you embark, and in areas where you are unsure.

I wish all goes well on your move to Texas.
Take care, Its me Smile
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#3
Hey itsme

How did i find out about the eye massager?
I went to a healing site and searched "eyesight."
You will be amazed what the Chinese people have come up with in regards to myopia.

and got this.

No I don't know anyone who has tried it, but I will use it and then write a review for it as well.

It is a $120 and there is another one for $150 which massages the temples. It might be better, but i'm going to stick with the $120 one

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It states that it is particularly for reversing myopia.

For the hot therapeutic massager, the one i'm going to get.
I think it's wicked, because I mean, let's say I read a book and study for 3 hours, I'm feeling kinda tired right?
Just put that massager on my eyes, let it refresh the oxygen,and there's another 3 hours more studying. You know?

It has brainwave music which will improve memory.

It has to be the ultimate school toy ya know?

It makes the eyes move rhythmically which is probably a godsend for speed reading.
Also, the reason people get nearsighted is becasue they lose the elasticity in the ciliary muscle
This prevents it and reverses it, which allows the lens to shape when focusing distances and close-up
I hope it does what it says it does,
But i'm definitely getting it, for my bday ofcourse, which is close, i'm not a rich noble or anything like that.
It looks better and cheeper than otis's $520 laser advertisement. in his previous post.

$60 was just a guess. It's just two contacts.
I'm going to order them with my eye care specialist tomorrow.
I'll tell you the exact pricing tomorrow.

I was -4.25 about 6 months ago, that's when i took of my glasses

I will share with your my prescription reading as of tomorrow

I will contact John, and ask him: "john, my prescription is -_____ diopters, do
you recommend i get any backup contacts/glasses if it is not likely
that my vision will significantly improve in the next 2 months.

(I need my vision for work)

I'm sure that the gradual improvement, months and months later, will take me down to around 20/25 to 20/40 As John insists in his book. Or perhaps 20/50
Don't know yet. But i'm sure there's no limit on how well your eyes can improve.

Ttyl
Jay.
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#4
jay, I am impressed with your analysis. I hope this all goes according to plan.

As itsme has pointed out it would probably be a good idea to try and maintain a line of communication with John. Also, I am not sure if you saw my post a while ago where I pointed out that the book is the 2004 edition. I understand that there is a newer on out (2007). It may be useful for you to find out the differences. It's possible that there have been some refinements to the technical aspects. Perhaps John would be willing to provide some feedback on that.

By the way, I thought that you were supposed to order the contacts through John ?
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#5
Wait, you order them through John,

I'm moments away from the eye doctor...

but, it states
on pg. 105

that your eye care specialist can order your lenses from his or her supplier

and that it has to be boston xo, .15mm, thick, 9.5mm diam. and flattened from mid K,

nowhere does it say that you have to contact JOhn yee,

but yes i shall see if any changes have been made in the 2007 edition. That's a good point, I hope nothing too big.
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#6
Jay, according to email correspondence with John he explained that not every lab will make the Ortho C lens according
to his specifications. Even then, the optometrist will have to fill out a form saying that they are using the lenses for
experiment.

Good luck with your optometrist.. it may be safer to order from John just to make sure the lenses are exactly
what you need... just trying to play it safe? .... but let's see what your optometrist says first...

Regards, Its me Smile
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#7
Hi Jay.
I would appreciate a review from you on the eye massager. It sounds like it would be really nice.. and it's affordable too.

Your prescription is relatively close to mine, so I'll be very interested to see how far you get. Of course your optimism for
success is definitely in your favour.

p.s. re: + lenses. John advised me to stop wearing plus lenses as a therapeutical means to improve my vision (I was wearing a +2) He says ... " wearing the lenses means "straining" your eyes in the other direction. That means you are really straining your eyes (both myopically and hyperopically). Your muscles would become seized. My lenses have a very difficult time with people who wear plus lenses. The muscles would spasm, and I would have a very difficult time unlocking it. "


Regards, Its me Smile
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#8
Jay, try searching ebay for that hot air eye massager. See this link.. I'm not sure if it's exactly
same model but it's much cheaper .

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Also type the name 'eye massager' in the search field and others pop up too.
I might just get one now..


Regards, Its me Smile
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#9
Okay,

so itsme

what you propose I do, is get the info from the eye doctor (i haven't left yet)

and then instead of ordering with the optometrist

I should order with john yee by emailing him?????

I can do that

though he rarely replies

Well in 'taking off glasses to see', Liberman encourages lowered plus lenses

but if he says not to, then he is probably right as he is probably more intellect in the therapeutic ways of the eye.

i will delete my comment in the other post.

the ebay link you gave me, that's the isee360, which is more powerful
they're asking for $120 (including shipping) which is actually pretty good compared the the website i was on.
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#10
I'm not sure Jay, it's really your call, but I think if it were myself, I would get them from John. This
would ensure that the lenses specifications are correct. I'd try emailing John again and hopefully he'll reply back to
you with a reasonable price.

I know that there are certain sources that recommend + lenses, but I think they work best on children who
have a really low prescription and haven't started on glasses. In these cases, I believe they would
respond quickly as opposed to an adult who has staircase myopia. In any case, I don't feel my vision got worse
when I wore mine.. it actually only got better in 1 year. I think a lot of it may have been that I became comfortable
with things not being 100 % clear... as you put it I really enjoyed how my reduced prescription made things softer..

re: eye massager. Thanks, I didn't see the shipping charges...eek.. good thing you noticed. Once I
ordered something that I thought was cheap, and didn't notice the extravagant shipping charges ! I hoped
I would never do that again LOL But yeah, there are some other much cheaper eye massagers on ebay..
Those ones have no music, so... ;D it depends!

Regards Itsme Smile
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#11
Ok, so here's my history

As of August, 30, 2007, my eyesight was -4.25 in both eyes with -0.25 astigmatism left, -0.5 astigmatism right.

After that assessment, they gave me those contacts that you were full time, even in bed. So for the next 4 months, I wore them
non-stop unfortunately, I didn't have the knowledge of bates. You can probably understand the punishment i received
for doing this, i mean i was at school, and i was reading constantly with 20/20, i probably lived in strain. I remember
feeling upset and depressed those years as well.

by december 2007, they weren't that good at all, so I probably had gone up to like -4.75
Because they weren't that good. Plus I bet my astigmatism went up, considering
it had been locked in there for so long.

As of today,
my reading is -4.75 w/ -0.25 astigmatism, and -4.5 with 0.25 astigmatism.

So here's my evaluation.

I still use the computer alot
I haven't really given it everything.
I could have done better.

But here's the good news. First of all, my astigmatism went down.
Oh yeah!
Second of all, my eyes stabilized, and may have even dropped 1 diopter
I am proud with my accomplishment in keeping my eyes stable.

If you think about it, I got glasses when i was 13
13-17, they've gone up to -4.25

So 4 years = -4.25 so that's about an increment -1 diopter per year

august 30 2007 to july 10th 2008, nearly a year, it would be expected to go up one more diopter, and
astigmatism would be expected to go up as well.

However, it has somewhat stabilized and the astigmatism has somewhat lowered.

Ofcourse, it is very difficult to achieve vision healing
I have -4 pretty much imprinted in my eye muscles, and it would take much healing for it to begin


but anyway, here's my story

so i go in, and get the tests taken, i swear to god, you feel like your in a prison
dimmed lights, heavy equipment, your eyes are probably dying
then i get taken to the doctors room for the '1 or 2' finale.
Once again, dimmed lights, uncomfortable room, doctor checking you like your an alien.

He says, well jay, you haven't improved or anything,

he said 'when you don't wear your contacts, your eyes get worse because they try and see'

'you are officially legally blind'

I thought about saying, 'yes, yes I know, that is why i have my walking stick and that's how i found my way into your room'

but i didn't want to be rude

this guy was shaky and something was wrong with him, but anyway.

So i'm like, okay okay,

THen i show him the orthoculogy

he looks at the demands of the eye contact

thinks it's CRT

says i'm not the candidate for it.

I'm like, okay, @*!@$U*@$U)@!$ing hell but then i realized it was no point in trying to describe the whole thing.

so basically i knew he wasn't going to give me the written thing for it, they only serve focus dailies and stuff like that.

so i'm going to have to contact john yee and ask him to please send me down those contacts.

my k reading was 42.75/43.25 for both eye i'm guessing.

so 42.75 + 43.25 = 86, / 2, = 41.5 !!

so i want to send it to him

also, i said i wasn't going to buy any contacts at all, etc...

but now i have to b/c i got to work

so i'm going to ask him for -3.75 which i think will suffice for the efficiency of ortho c if it does work

i'm going to be outside most of the time working (roofing) so the sun enable me to see 20/40 atleast with the lowered contacts on.

The guy, as i expected, had huge doubts.

Jacob Liberman once wrote that his eyesight had gotten better, but his diopters hadn't changed.

I feel my eyesight has gotten better, but that's not the case in the prison-like eyes testing room
where sunlight is unheard of.

I'm going to email John Yee,
hopefully he will reply

and send me the contacts

hopefully they are not too expensive.

peace out.
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#12
jay, I think that your choice (getting the contacts from John) is the right one. He's the brain behind the whole thing anyway, and you would not have known if your optometrist was really ordering the right thing. Also, when you order the contacts from John I expect he may be more attentive to your questions.
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#13
Hello,

People, why not focus on one thing i.e. Ortho C and not these Eye Hot-Air Balloon Messages?.. for that post another thread please Smile
I got confused reading this thread....not knowing if you'r talking about Ortho C or these Hot-Air thingies.

btw Jay why did you call him "sucker" in the beginning..... I thought at first that you found out that it was a scam..

On Thursday I'm going to get the K-Reading. What else do I need?
I tried asking John but he didn't replied to me for about 2 weeks...

I'll order them from him .. and he uses PayPal... he told me he delivers to every country including tiny Malta where I live.

Thanks!
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#14
Hi Varangian. All you need is an eye examination (prescription) and a k reading.


Regards, Its me Smile
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#15
eye examination ? but what shall I get from it?

the diopters of my eyes?
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