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Thread: Extremely skeptical regarding palming
Post: Re: Extremely skeptical regarding palming

kofe Wrote:In my case sleeping tends to tire the eys, instead of resting them.this. sleeping in my case also seems to tire the eyes. when i wake up, depending on how well i slept, my eyes feel like ...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

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08-17-2013, 02:05 AM

Thread: Extremely skeptical regarding palming
Post: Re: Extremely skeptical regarding palming

Nancy Wrote:Bates has written about people staring in their sleep and waking up with very tired eyes. He recommends doing 50 or 100 long swings before going to bed to break up the staring habit.i actu...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

9,279

08-19-2013, 03:52 PM

Thread: Binaural beats while palming
Post: Binaural beats while palming

So yesterday I've palmed for an hour in the morning and afterwards I noticed a very short lasting but quite pleasant improvement in my eyesight. I could read the top three lines on the Snellen chart w...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

9,675

08-27-2013, 10:56 PM

Thread: Binaural beats while palming
Post: Re: Binaural beats while palming

Well it didn't do much for me, I just tried palming using a 1-hour long 11hz beat which is supposed to get you in the alpha state that enhances conscious relaxation but it didn't relax me at all, a li...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

9,675

08-28-2013, 01:38 AM

Thread: Binaural beats while palming
Post: Re: Binaural beats while palming

I've tried various different beats in the past week, including Monroe, but it did nothing for me :-[ Ah well, I found a new technique that I'm trying out right now (Trataka/candle gazing), I'll repo...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

9,675

09-02-2013, 03:59 AM

Thread: Reversing Eye Elongation?
Post: Re: Reversing Eye Elongation?

clarknight, could you refer me to some studies or papers or research or medical expert stating that reading glasses > "cataracts, other eye damage", etc ? Look at all these doctors saying that rea...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

53,257

10-27-2013, 11:33 AM

Thread: Reversing Eye Elongation?
Post: Re: Reversing Eye Elongation?

I see, I have done some digging around and I do indeed never see this mentioned by proponents of plus lens therapy. Thanks clarknight! I have recently (earlier today) come to doubt the safety in weari...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

53,257

10-27-2013, 01:27 PM

Thread: I quit.
Post: Re: I quit.

clarknight Wrote:Nick, Still not sure what print pushing is? Please copy/paste 'ho's thing' here.It's in the opening post at the top of this topic, I quoted from Ho's topic. I believe it is the MAGIC ...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

30,881

10-27-2013, 02:13 PM

Thread: I quit.
Post: Re: I quit.

clarknight Wrote:Nick, Didn't know you are 3 years reading glasses. That not bad!No no no lol I have only been wearing reading glasses for the last three days! But I have completely dropped them now t...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

30,881

10-27-2013, 02:16 PM

Thread: The reason the Bates Method worked better a century ago?
Post: Re: The reason the Bates Method worked better a ce...

arocarty Wrote:You keep emphasizing that you had no success from Bates, but from your Aug 17 post you said: "hi i'm new btw :D ready to do this bates method thing! i've discovered this method a few...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

21,063

10-28-2013, 06:39 AM

Thread: I quit.
Post: Re: I quit.

clarknight what ho_from_vietnam did was essentially plus lens therapy without the plus lenses. That is a better treatment for axial myopia than the Bates Method (which works for ciliary myopia). Pleas...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

30,881

10-28-2013, 07:16 AM

Thread: I quit.
Post: I quit.

Hi, I have read the success story from ho_from_vietnam <a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.iblindness.org/community/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3074">viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

30,881

10-27-2013, 06:24 AM

Thread: I quit.
Post: Re: I quit.

Yes I will stop wearing the reading glasses from now, thank you for your post in the other topic. Please disregard the whole "lenses" and "glasses" thing in my opening post, I can't edit them out anym...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

30,881

10-27-2013, 01:33 PM

Thread: I quit.
Post: Re: I quit.

clarknight you are not being hard on me. In fact I am the one who is feeling like a total dick right now for this topic that I opened. I admit I wrote it in a fit of fury from not seeing results after...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

30,881

10-27-2013, 01:45 PM

Thread: The reason the Bates Method worked better a century ago?
Post: The reason the Bates Method worked better a centur...

Quote:It is a difficult subject as there are a range of therapies that provide less than promised results. Some of these are due to outmoded concepts from a century ago, when most myopia was ciliary,...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

21,063

10-27-2013, 01:57 PM

Thread: I quit.
Post: Re: I quit.

I mean I'm sorry but I'm just so excited right now. I keep reading that palming is supposed to clear up your vision a little bit, and that by the end of the session you will, for a few seconds up to a...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

30,881

10-27-2013, 02:10 PM

Thread: Reversing Eye Elongation?
Post: Re: Reversing Eye Elongation?

Nancy, thank you for your post. That Otis Brown guy is kinda strange, I've been reading his posts on this forum here: <a class="postlink" href="http://forum.gettingstronger.org/inde...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

53,257

10-27-2013, 02:22 PM

Thread: I quit.
Post: Re: I quit.

shocker Wrote:So after you print push, your clear vision lasts 10 minutes? So I'm assuming it's multi-blink proof, all ranges? or does it reset on each blink and comes back into focus within a few sec...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

30,881

10-27-2013, 02:28 PM

Thread: I quit.
Post: Re: I quit.

clarknight Wrote:Found it. So he's placing the computer farther and farther away without using glasses. This is pretty cool! I find the compute r like the tv; up close for hours; eyes uncomfortable. ...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

30,881

10-27-2013, 02:31 PM

Thread: The reason the Bates Method worked better a century ago?
Post: Re: The reason the Bates Method worked better a ce...

I agree with you hammer. I guess what this generally means, is that the Bates Method is becoming less and less applicable every day, EXCEPT for those few people with similar myopic conditions as Bates...

NickGrouwen

Bates Method

21,063

10-27-2013, 04:00 PM

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